Smith, Joshua D. 2013-09-12, 18:00
Marco Shaw 2013-09-12, 17:51
Aaron Eng 2013-09-12, 18:14
Xuri Nagarin 2013-09-12, 23:39
Chris Mattmann 2013-09-13, 05:50
Chris Embree 2013-09-13, 17:24
Shahab Yunus 2013-09-13, 17:48
I agree with your arguments. Really well put. Only things I would add is -
we do not want sales/marketing folks getting involved in these kinds of
threads and pollute it with sales pitches, unsubstantiated claims, and make
it a forum for marketing pitch. This can also have community repercussions
as you have rightly pointed out.
Wearing my own hadoop PMC hat, we do put Apache release regularly. Bigtop
also provides excellent stack packaging as well. In this forum my wish is
to see discussions around that than vendor related. There are already many
outside forums for this.
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Shahab Yunus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> I think, in my opinion, it is a wrong idea because:
> 1- Many of the participants here are employees for these very companies
> that are under discussion. This puts these respective employees in very
> difficult position. It is very hard to come with a correct response.
> Comments can be misconstrued easily.
> 2- Also, when we talk about vendor distributions of the software, it is
> not longer purely about open source. Now companies with the related
> corporate legal baggage also gets in the mix.
> 3- The discussion would be on not only positive things about each vendor
> but in fact negatives. The latter type of discussion which can get
> unpleasant very easily.
> 4- Somebody mentioned that, this is a very lightly moderated platform and
> thus this discussion should be allowed. I think this is one of the reasons
> that it should not be because, people can say things casually, without much
> thought, or without taking care of the context or the possible
> interpretations and get in trouble.
> 5- The risk here is not only that serious repercussions can occur (which
> very well can) but the greater risk is that it can cause misunderstanding
> between individuals, industries and companies.
> 6-People here lot of time reply quickly just to resolve or help the
> 'technical' issue. Now they will have to take care how they frame the
> response. Re: 4
> I know some will feel that I have created a highly exaggerated scenario
> above, but what I am trying to say is that, it is a slippery slope. If we
> allow this then this can go anywhere.
> By the way, I do not work for any of these vendors.
> More importantly, I am not saying that this discussion should not be had,
> I am just saying that this is a wrong forum.
> Just my 2 cents (or,...this was rather a dollar.)
> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:50 AM, Chris Mattmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>> Errr, what's wrong with discussing these types of issues on list?
>> Nothing public here, and as long as it's kept to facts, this should
>> not be a problem and Apache is a fine place to have such discussions.
>> My 2c.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Xuri Nagarin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: Thursday, September 12, 2013 4:39 PM
>> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: Cloudera Vs Hortonworks Vs MapR
>> >I understand it can be contentious issue especially given that a lot of
>> >contributors to this list work for one or the other vendor or have some
>> >stake in any kind of evaluation. But, I see no reason why users should
>> >not be able to compare notes
>> > and share experiences. Over time, genuine pain points or issues or
>> >claims will bubble up and should only help the community. Sure, there
>> >will be a few flame wars but this already isn't a very tightly moderated
>> >On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Aaron Eng
>> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >As others noted, this is not a great place for this discussion. I'd
>> >suggest contacting the vendors you are interested in as I'm sure we'd all
>> >be happy to provide you more details.
>> >I don't know about the others, but for MapR, just send an email to
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Adam Muise 2013-09-13, 18:01
Xuri Nagarin 2013-09-13, 18:21
Chris Mattmann 2013-09-14, 19:37
Xuri Nagarin 2013-09-16, 22:10
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M. C. Srivas 2013-09-17, 03:37
Xuri Nagarin 2013-09-18, 18:41
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