>Most of the contributors are big picture types who would look at "small"
usability issues like this and scoff about "newbies".
P.S. This is speaking from the newbie perspective, it was not meant as a
slight to contributors in any way. Just a comment on the steep learning
curve of picking up Hadoop.
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Aaron Eng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey Tim,
> Hope everything is good with you. Looks like you're having some fun with
> >Can anyone enlighten me? Why is dfs.*.dir default to /tmp a good idea?
> It's not a good idea, its just how it defaults. You'll find hundreds or
> probably thousands of these quirks as you work with Apache/Cloudera hadoop
> distributions. Never trust the defaults.
> > submitted a JIRA
> That's the way to do it.
> >which appears to have been resolved ... but it does feel somewhat
> dissatisfying, since by the time you see the WARNING your cluster is already
> And that's why, if it's relevant to you, you're best bet is to resolve the
> JIRA yourself. Most of the contributors are big picture types who would
> look at "small" usability issues like this and scoff about "newbies". Of
> course, by the time you're familiar enough with Hadoop and comfortable
> enough to fix your own JIRA's, you might also join the ranks of jaded
> contributor who scoffs ad usability issues logged by newbies.
> Case in point, I noted a while ago that when you run the namenode -format
> command, it only accepts a capital Y (or lower case, can't remember), and it
> fails silently if you give the wrong case. I didn't particularly care
> enough to fix it, having already learned my lesson. You'll find lots of
> these rough edges through hadoop, it is not a user firendly, out-of-the-box
> enterprise-ready product.
> On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Time Less <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Can anyone enlighten me? Why is dfs.*.dir default to /tmp a good idea? I'd
>> rather, in order of preference, have the following behaviours if dfs.*.dir
>> are undefined:
>> 1. Daemons log errors and fail to start at all,
>> 2. Daemons start but default to /var/db/hadoop (or any persistent
>> location), meanwhile logging in huge screaming all-caps letters that it's
>> picked a default which may not be optimal,
>> 3. Daemons start botnet and DDOS random government websites, wait 36
>> hours, then phone the FBI and blame administrator for it*,
>> 4. Daemons write "persistent" data into /tmp without any great
>> fanfare, allowing a sense of complacency in its victims, only to report at a
>> random time in the future that everything is corrupted beyond repair, ie
>> current behaviour.
>> I submitted a JIRA (which appears to have been resolved, yay!) to at least
>> add verbiage to the WARNING letting you know why you've irreversibly
>> corrupted your cluster, but it does feel somewhat dissatisfying, since by
>> the time you see the WARNING your cluster is already useless/dead.
>> It's not quite what you're asking for, but your NameNode's web interface
>>> provide a merged dump of all the relevant config settings, including
>>> indicating the name of the config file where the setting was defined, at
>>> /conf path.
>> Cool, though it looks like that's just the NameNode's config, right? Not
>> the DataNode's config, which is the component corrupting data due to this
>> Tim Ellis
>> Riot Games
>> * Hello, FBI, #3 was a joke. I wish #4 was a joke, too.