I propose we remove Penny from contrib.  Currently it does not compile in trunk.  Looking through the commit logs no significant work has been done on it since it was initially committed.  There are 3 open JIRAs that reference it ( https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=true&jqlQuery=project+%3D+PIG+AND+%28summary+%7E+penny+OR+description+%7E+penny%29+AND+status+%3D+Open ).  At this point I do not think anyone is using it or maintaining it.  

If someone is interested in moving this piece forward I would propose we move it to Apache Extras or something similar.

Alan.

+1. I agree.

On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Alan Gates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I propose we remove Penny from contrib.  Currently it does not compile in
> trunk.  Looking through the commit logs no significant work has been done
> on it since it was initially committed.  There are 3 open JIRAs that
> reference it (
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=true&jqlQuery=project+%3D+PIG+AND+%28summary+%7E+penny+OR+description+%7E+penny%29+AND+status+%3D+Open).  At this point I do not think anyone is using it or maintaining it.
>
> If someone is interested in moving this piece forward I would propose we
> move it to Apache Extras or something similar.
>
> Alan.

+1

On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Cheolsoo Park <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> +1. I agree.
>
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Alan Gates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I propose we remove Penny from contrib.  Currently it does not compile in
> > trunk.  Looking through the commit logs no significant work has been done
> > on it since it was initially committed.  There are 3 open JIRAs that
> > reference it (
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=true&jqlQuery=project+%3D+PIG+AND+%28summary+%7E+penny+OR+description+%7E+penny%29+AND+status+%3D+Open).
>  At this point I do not think anyone is using it or maintaining it.
> >
> > If someone is interested in moving this piece forward I would propose we
> > move it to Apache Extras or something similar.
> >
> > Alan.
>

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I'll be the +1 :)

Russell Jurney http://datasyndrome.com

On Nov 1, 2012, at 12:53 AM, Bill Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> +1
>
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Cheolsoo Park <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> +1. I agree.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Alan Gates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> I propose we remove Penny from contrib.  Currently it does not compile in
>>> trunk.  Looking through the commit logs no significant work has been done
>>> on it since it was initially committed.  There are 3 open JIRAs that
>>> reference it (
>>>
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=true&jqlQuery=project+%3D+PIG+AND+%28summary+%7E+penny+OR+description+%7E+penny%29+AND+status+%3D+Open).
>> At this point I do not think anyone is using it or maintaining it.
>>>
>>> If someone is interested in moving this piece forward I would propose we
>>> move it to Apache Extras or something similar.
>>>
>>> Alan.
>>
>
>
>
> --
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] going forward.*

+1
--
Gianmarco
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Russell Jurney
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I'll be the +1 :)
>
> Russell Jurney http://datasyndrome.com
>
> On Nov 1, 2012, at 12:53 AM, Bill Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Cheolsoo Park <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >wrote:
> >
> >> +1. I agree.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Alan Gates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I propose we remove Penny from contrib.  Currently it does not compile
> in
> >>> trunk.  Looking through the commit logs no significant work has been
> done
> >>> on it since it was initially committed.  There are 3 open JIRAs that
> >>> reference it (
> >>>
> >>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=true&jqlQuery=project+%3D+PIG+AND+%28summary+%7E+penny+OR+description+%7E+penny%29+AND+status+%3D+Open
> ).
> >> At this point I do not think anyone is using it or maintaining it.
> >>>
> >>> If someone is interested in moving this piece forward I would propose
> we
> >>> move it to Apache Extras or something similar.
> >>>
> >>> Alan.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Note that I'm no longer using my Yahoo! email address. Please email me
> at
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] going forward.*
>

Sad but +1
Maybe we should review what target we run before checking in changes.
Like compiling contrib projects ? Or possibly making them depend on a
fixed version of Pig.
Julien

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Gianmarco De Francisci Morales
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> +1
> --
> Gianmarco
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Russell Jurney
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> I'll be the +1 :)
>>
>> Russell Jurney http://datasyndrome.com
>>
>> On Nov 1, 2012, at 12:53 AM, Bill Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > +1
>> >
>> > On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Cheolsoo Park <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> +1. I agree.
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Alan Gates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I propose we remove Penny from contrib.  Currently it does not compile
>> in
>> >>> trunk.  Looking through the commit logs no significant work has been
>> done
>> >>> on it since it was initially committed.  There are 3 open JIRAs that
>> >>> reference it (
>> >>>
>> >>
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=true&jqlQuery=project+%3D+PIG+AND+%28summary+%7E+penny+OR+description+%7E+penny%29+AND+status+%3D+Open
>> ).
>> >> At this point I do not think anyone is using it or maintaining it.
>> >>>
>> >>> If someone is interested in moving this piece forward I would propose
>> we
>> >>> move it to Apache Extras or something similar.
>> >>>
>> >>> Alan.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > *Note that I'm no longer using my Yahoo! email address. Please email me
>> at
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] going forward.*
>>

How would this work -- would we dump it on github somewhere in case someone
wants to use it?
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Julien Le Dem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sad but +1
> Maybe we should review what target we run before checking in changes.
> Like compiling contrib projects ? Or possibly making them depend on a
> fixed version of Pig.
> Julien
>
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Gianmarco De Francisci Morales
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > +1
> > --
> > Gianmarco
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Russell Jurney
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> >
> >> I'll be the +1 :)
> >>
> >> Russell Jurney http://datasyndrome.com
> >>
> >> On Nov 1, 2012, at 12:53 AM, Bill Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > +1
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Cheolsoo Park <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> +1. I agree.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Alan Gates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> I propose we remove Penny from contrib.  Currently it does not
> compile
> >> in
> >> >>> trunk.  Looking through the commit logs no significant work has been
> >> done
> >> >>> on it since it was initially committed.  There are 3 open JIRAs that
> >> >>> reference it (
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=true&jqlQuery=project+%3D+PIG+AND+%28summary+%7E+penny+OR+description+%7E+penny%29+AND+status+%3D+Open
> >> ).
> >> >> At this point I do not think anyone is using it or maintaining it.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> If someone is interested in moving this piece forward I would
> propose
> >> we
> >> >>> move it to Apache Extras or something similar.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Alan.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > *Note that I'm no longer using my Yahoo! email address. Please email
> me
> >> at
> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] going forward.*
> >>
>

Just removing it doesn't require any more than what we have done.  Based on the discussion I've seen so far I plan on submitting a patch that does an svn rm on the directory.

If we want to put the code somewhere outside of Apache, then we have to formally vote as a PMC to spin it out.  That's because we're legally releasing the code from being part of Pig and Apache to become an outside entity.  Our bylaws state that we require a 2/3 majority of the PMC to vote for adoption of a new code base.  This seems like the closest action to discontinuing a section of the code, so I would assert it is the best criteria to use.  

I wouldn't be in favor of dumping it on github unless someone expresses active interest.  If someone comes along in the future and expresses that interest we can still easily do it.  The code will live "forever" in Apache's SVN.

Alan.

On Nov 1, 2012, at 5:05 PM, Dmitriy Ryaboy wrote:

> How would this work -- would we dump it on github somewhere in case someone
> wants to use it?
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Julien Le Dem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Sad but +1
>> Maybe we should review what target we run before checking in changes.
>> Like compiling contrib projects ? Or possibly making them depend on a
>> fixed version of Pig.
>> Julien
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Gianmarco De Francisci Morales
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> +1
>>> --
>>> Gianmarco
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Russell Jurney
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'll be the +1 :)
>>>>
>>>> Russell Jurney http://datasyndrome.com
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 1, 2012, at 12:53 AM, Bill Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> +1
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Cheolsoo Park <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> +1. I agree.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Alan Gates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I propose we remove Penny from contrib.  Currently it does not
>> compile
>>>> in
>>>>>>> trunk.  Looking through the commit logs no significant work has been
>>>> done
>>>>>>> on it since it was initially committed.  There are 3 open JIRAs that
>>>>>>> reference it (
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=true&jqlQuery=project+%3D+PIG+AND+%28summary+%7E+penny+OR+description+%7E+penny%29+AND+status+%3D+Open
>>>> ).
>>>>>> At this point I do not think anyone is using it or maintaining it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If someone is interested in moving this piece forward I would
>> propose
>>>> we
>>>>>>> move it to Apache Extras or something similar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *Note that I'm no longer using my Yahoo! email address. Please email
>> me
>>>> at
>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] going forward.*
>>>>
>>