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Flume, mail # dev - Re: [jira] [Created] (FLUME-1479) Multiple Sinks can connect to single Channel


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Wang, Yongkun | Yongkun |... 2012-08-10, 05:07
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Denny Ye 2012-08-10, 05:29
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Wang, Yongkun | Yongkun |... 2012-08-10, 05:48
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Denny Ye 2012-08-10, 06:09
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Wang, Yongkun | Yongkun |... 2012-08-10, 06:25
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Denny Ye 2012-08-10, 06:58
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Wang, Yongkun | Yongkun |... 2012-08-10, 07:53
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Juhani Connolly 2012-08-10, 09:07
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Wang, Yongkun | Yongkun |... 2012-08-11, 04:30
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Mike Percy 2012-08-13, 00:17
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Re: [jira] [Created] (FLUME-1479) Multiple Sinks can connect to single Channel
Wang, Yongkun | Yongkun |... 2012-08-15, 03:03
Thanks Mike.

This is really a nice reply based on the thorough understanding of my
proposal.

I agree that it might be a potential design change. So I will carefully
evaluate it before submitting it to you guys to make the decision.

Cheers,
Yongkun Wang

On 12/08/13 9:17, "Mike Percy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Hi,
>Due to design decisions made very early on in Flume NG - specifically the
>fact that Sink only has a simple process() method - I don't see a good way
>to get multiple sinks pulling from the same channel in a way that is
>backwards-compatible with the current implementation.
>
>Probably the "right" way to support this would be to have an interface
>where the SinkRunner (or something outside of each Sink) is in control of
>the transaction, and then it can easily send events to each sink serially
>or in parallel within a single transaction. I think that is basically what
>you are describing. If you look at SourceRunner and SourceProcessor you
>will see similar ideas to what you are describing but they are only
>implemented at the Source->Channel level. The current SinkProcessor is not
>an analog of SourceProcessor, but if it was then I think that's where this
>functionality might fit. However what happens when you do that is you have
>to handle a ton of failure cases and threading models in a very general
>way, which might be tough to get right for all use cases. I'm not 100%
>sure, but I think that's why this was not pursued at the time.
>
>To me, this seems like a potential design change (it would have to be very
>carefully thought out) to consider for a future major Flume code line
>(maybe a Flume 2.x).
>
>By the way, if one is trying to get maximum throughput, then duplicating
>events onto multiple channels, and having different threads running the
>sinks (the current design) will be faster and more resilient in general
>than a single thread and a single channel writing to multiple
>sinks/destinations. The multiple-channel design pattern will allow
>periodic
>downtimes or delays on a single sink to not affect the others, assuming
>the
>channel sizes are large enough for buffering during downtime and assuming
>that each sink is fast enough to recover from temporary delays. Without a
>dedicated buffer per destination, one is at the mercy of the slowest sink
>at every stage in the transaction.
>
>One last thing worth noting is that the current channels are all well
>ordered. This means that Flume currently provides a weak ordering
>guarantee
>(across a single hop). That is a helpful property in the context of
>testing
>and validation, as well as is what many people expect if they are storing
>logs on a single hop. I hope we don't backpedal on that weak ordering
>guarantee without a really good reason.
>
>Regards,
>Mike
>
>On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Wang, Yongkun | Yongkun | BDD <
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> Hi Jhhani,
>>
>> Yes, we can use two (or several) channels to fan out data to different
>> sinks. Then we will have two channels with same data, which may not be
>>an
>> optimized solution. So I want to use just ONE channel, creating a
>> processor to pull the data once from the channel, then distributing to
>> different sinks.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Yongkun Wang
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>> On 12/08/10 18:07, "Juhani Connolly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
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>> >Hi Yongkun,
>> >
>> >I'm curious why you need to pull the data twice from the sink? Do you
>> >need all sinks to have read the same amount of data? Normally for the
>> >case of splitting data into batch and analytics, we will send data from
>> >the source to two separate channels and have the sinks read from
>> >separate channels.
>> >
>> >On 08/10/2012 02:48 PM, Wang, Yongkun | Yongkun | BDD wrote:
>> >> Hi Denny,
>> >>
>> >> I am working on the patch now, it's not difficult. I have listed the
>> >> changes in that JIRA.
>> >> I think you misunderstand my design, I didn't maintain the order of
>>the
>> >> events. Instead I make sure that each sink will get the same events
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Mike Percy 2012-08-15, 03:52