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HDFS, mail # dev - hsync is too slower than hflush


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haosdent 2013-08-25, 05:11
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Andrew Wang 2013-08-25, 23:07
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haosdent 2013-08-26, 02:44
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Andrew Wang 2013-08-26, 03:18
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haosdent 2013-08-26, 03:21
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Re: hsync is too slower than hflush
lei liu 2013-08-26, 14:30
Hi all,

DataNode sequential write file, so I think the disk seek time should be
very small.Why is disk seek time 10ms? I think that is too long. Whether we
can optimize the linux system configuration, reduce disk seek time.
2013/8/26 haosdent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> haha, thank you very much, I get it now.
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> --
> Best Regards,
> Haosong Huang
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>
>
> On Monday, August 26, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Andrew Wang wrote:
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> > Ah, I forgot the checksum fsync, so two seeks. Even with 4k writes, 50ms
> > still feels in the right ballpark. Best case it's ~20ms, still way slower
> > than hflush.
> >
> > It's also worth asking if there's other dirty data waiting for writeback,
> > since I believe it can also get written out on an fsync.
> >
> > hflush doesn't durably write to disk, so you're still in danger of losing
> > data if there's a cluster-wide power outage. Because HDFS writes to two
> > different racks, hflush still protects you from single-rack outages. Most
> > people think this is good enough (I believe HBase by default runs with
> just
> > hflush), but if you *really* want to be sure, pay the cost of hsync and
> do
> > durable writes.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 7:44 PM, haosdent <[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED])> wrote:
> >
> > > In fact, I just write 4k in every hsync. Datenode would write checksum
> > > file and data file when I hsync data to datanode. Each of them would
> spent
> > > nearly 25ms, so a hsync call would spent nearly 50ms. But hflush is
> very
> > > fast, which spent both 1ms in write checksum and data. If a hsync would
> > > spent 50ms, what meanings we use it? Or my test way is wrong?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best Regards,
> > > Haosong Huang
> > > Sent with Sparrow (http://www.sparrowmailapp.com/?sig)
> > >
> > >
> > > On Monday, August 26, 2013 at 7:07 AM, Andrew Wang wrote:
> > >
> > > > 50ms is believable. hsync makes each DN call fsync and wait for
> acks, so
> > > > you'd expect at least a disk seek time (~10ms) with some extra time
> > > > depending on how much unsync'd data is being written.
> > > >
> > > > So, just as some back of the envelope math, assuming a disk that can
> > > write
> > > > at 100MB/s:
> > > >
> > > > 50ms - 10ms seek = 40ms writing time
> > > > 100 MB/s * 40ms = 4MB
> > > >
> > > > If you're hsync'ing every 4MB, 50ms would be exactly what I'd expect.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Andrew
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 10:11 PM, haosdent <[EMAIL PROTECTED](mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]) (mailto:
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]))> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi, all. Hadoop support hsync which would call fsync of system
> after
> > > > > 2.0.2. I have tested the performance of hsync() and hflush() again
> and
> > > > > again, but I found that the hsync call() everytime would spent
> nearly
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > 50ms
> > > > > while the hflush call() just spent 2ms. In this slide(
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> http://www.slideshare.net/enissoz/hbase-and-hdfs-understanding-filesystem-usagePage18),
> the author mentions that hsync() is 2x slower than hflush(). So,
> > > > > is anything wrong? Thank you very much and looking forward to your
> > > >
> > >
> > > help.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > > Haosong Huang
> > > > > Sent with Sparrow (http://www.sparrowmailapp.com/?sig)
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Andrew Wang 2013-08-26, 17:44