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Re: Proposal: create a separate ZooKeeper release artifact for recipes
i also agreed that it would be great to build a community around
curator especially if it could pull in other zk recipes. i've felt for
a while that the core developers don't have the bandwidth to really
keep track of recipe development and recipes are a very important
aspect of zk. so, having a self sustaining community of developers
focused on that would be awesome. being able to have a separate
release cycle is also important i think. (i may be reading too much
into the proposal though :)


On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Flavio Junqueira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I suppose you're just trying to sense if others think that it would be a
> good idea to have it as a subproject. If so, I'm in favor of putting a
> proposal together, +1.
> -Flavio
> On Dec 2, 2011, at 8:45 PM, Patrick Hunt wrote:
>> Somehow this got off list, Jordan and I just noticed, summary so far:
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Patrick Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 9:56 AM
>> Subject: Re: Proposal: create a separate ZooKeeper release artifact for
>> recipes
>> To: Jordan Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Did you mean to reply just to me? I think this is a great idea btw,
>> just need to work out the mechanics of getting it integrated and get
>> the others on board. Would it help to talk f2f?
>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Jordan Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>> From talking to folks here (and my own feeling), I'd like to have Curator
>>> get as wide use as possible. Some sort of sanction from the ZooKeeper
>>> team
>>> would do that. I don't see a lot of downside to getting a community
>>> around
>>> it either. Sure, it's nice to be the only guy I need to please, but the
>>> benefits of a community outweigh that.
>>> I think the beauty of folding it in to ZooKeeper is that the structure is
>>> already there: Jira, website, etc. I (and probably one other from
>>> Netflix)
>>> could take on the role of managing the Curator portion so that it doesn't
>>> burden you folks. I'm doing that internally at Netflix anyway. Frankly,
>>> it
>>> sounds like fun (famous last words).
>>> -Jordan
>>> On 12/1/11 5:36 PM, "Patrick Hunt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Jordan Zimmerman
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> The feeling here is that it would be nice to push Curator into ZK.
>>>>> However, we'd still like to contribute to it. If you don't want
>>>>> separate
>>>>> contributor lists, I could be a ZK contributor but explicitly only work
>>>>> on
>>>>> Curator. Of course, we're open to your suggestions on this as well.
>>>> Don't get me wrong, I don't mind having one list of
>>>> contributors/committers for ZK/Curator, I'm personally fine with
>>>> having one. If you notice in my original proposal I lean towards that
>>>> direction (single set of committers with multiple artifacts)
>>>> I see a benefit to having something like Curator available to users,
>>>> open sourcing it on GH accomplishes this. Bringing something to Apache
>>>> means building a community around it though, not just making the code
>>>> open source. This is analogous to when ZK itself was on sourceforge,
>>>> eventually moving to Apache.
>>>> Here's the issue: building community adds overhead, which you might
>>>> not be willing to sign up for. I'm not sure we (zk community) can take
>>>> on this additional cost alone. Hence my question -- I _wouldn't_ want
>>>> to you leave, that's the point. We'd need some set of core "Curator
>>>> contributors" who would continue to work on Curator, answer questions,
>>>> shepherd new contributor/committers/etc... If that doesn't happen the
>>>> code will get imported, see some use, but never really reach it's full
>>>> potential.
>>>> Hope that helps. LMK.
>>>> Patrick
>>>>> On 12/1/11 2:01 PM, "Patrick Hunt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Jordan Zimmerman