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Re: Questions on Table design for time series data
We're all volunteers here so we don't always have the time to fully
understand and plan others' schemas.

In general your questions seemed to be worried about a lot of things that
may or may not matter depending on the specifics of your implementation.
 Without knowing those specifics it is hard to be super definitive.  You
seem to be very worried about the cost of compactions and retention.  Is
that because you're having issues now?

Short answers:

q1: Unless you have a good reason for splitting up into two tables, I'd
keep as one.  Pros: Easier to understand/better matches intellectual
understanding/allows checkAndPuts across both families/data is colocated
(server, not disk) on retrieval if you want to work with both groups
simultaneously using get, MR, etc.  Con: There will be some extra
merge/flush activity if the two columns grow at substantially different

q2: 365*1000 regions is problematic (if that is what you're suggesting).
 Even with HFilev2 and partially loaded multi-level indexes, there is still
quite a bit of overhead per region.  I pointed you at the Jive thing in
part since hashing that value as a bucket seems a lot more reasonable.
 Additional Random idea: if you know retention policy on insert and your
data is immutable post insertion, consider shifting the insert timestamp
and maintain a single ttl.  Would require more client side code but would
allow configurable ttls while utilizing existing HBase infrastructure.

q3: Sounds like you're prematurely optimizing here.  Maybe others would
disagree.  I'd use ttl until you find that isn't performant enough.  The
tension between flexibility and speed is clear here.  I'd say you either
need to pick specific ttls and optimize for that scenario via region
pruning (e.g. separate tables for each ttl type) or you need to use a more
general approach that leverages the per value ttl and compaction
methodology.  There is enough operational work managing an HBase/HDFS
cluster without having to worry about specialized region management.


On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Karthikeyan Muthukumarasamy <

> Hi Jacques,
> Thanks for the response!
> Yes, I have seen the video before. It suggets usage of TTL based retention
> implementation. In their usecase, Jive has a fixed retention say 3 months
> and so they can pre-create regions for so many buckets, their bucket id is
> DAY_OF_YEAR%retention_in_days. But, in our usecase, the retention period is
> configurable, so pre-creationg regions based on retention will not work.
> Thats why we went for MMDD based buckets which is immune to retention
> period changes.
> Now that you know that Ive gone through that video from Jive, I would
> request you to re-read my specific questions and share your suggestions.
> Thanks & Regards
> MK
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 11:51 PM, Jacques <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I would suggest you watch this video:
> >
> >
> http://www.cloudera.com/resource/video-hbasecon-2012-real-performance-gains-with-real-time-data/
> >
> > The jive guys solved a lot of the problems you're talking about and
> discuss
> > it in that case study.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 6:27 AM, Karthikeyan Muthukumarasamy <
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > Our usecase is as follows:
> > > We have time series data continuously flowing into the system and has
> to
> > be
> > > stored in HBase.
> > > Subscriber Mobile Number (a.k.a MSISDN) is the primary identifier based
> > on
> > > which data is stored and later retrieved.
> > > There are two sets of parameters that get stored in every record in
> > HBase,
> > > lets call them group1 and group2. The number of records that would have
> > > group1 parameters would be approx. 6 per day and the same for group2
> > > parameters is approx. 1 per 3 days (their cardinality is different).
> > >
> > > Typically, the retention policy for group1 parameters is 3 months and
> for
> > > group2 parameters is 1 year. The read-pattern is as follows: An online