From: Dmitriy Ryaboy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 5:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Restarting discussion on Pig as a TLP
This sounds reasonable. +1.
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Alan Gates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Five months ago I started a discussion on whether Pig should become a top
> level project (TLP) at Apache instead of remaining a subproject of Hadoop (
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/hadoop-pig-dev/201003.mbox/%[EMAIL PROTECTED]%3E).
> At the time I voted against it (
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/hadoop-pig-dev/201003.mbox/%[EMAIL PROTECTED]%3E),
> as did many others. However, I would like to restart that discussion now.
> I gave several reasons for voting against it :
> First, I was worried that by loosing our connection to Hadoop, Pig would
> loose its source of new users. I have since been assured by Hadoop members
> that Pig would be free to keep our tab on their page (as Hbase has). Also,
> obviously we would still be welcomed at Hadoop get togethers such as the
> various HUGs, Hadoop Summits, etc. So our connection does not seem in
> Two, I was concerned that by not being members of the Hadoop community we
> would loose influence with Hadoop. It is true that Pig developers will have
> to stay active in the Hadoop community, which will put a slightly extra
> burden on them. But they are already bearing this burden, and whether or
> not the communities are governed by the same or separate PMCs will not
> affect this.
> Finally, I said that philosophically it makes sense to me that all Hadoop
> related projects should stay under one umbrella. This still makes sense to
> me, and I do see this as a downside of Pig moving out of Hadoop.
> In addition to the above, a few other things have happened over the
> intervening months to cause me to reconsider. Most importantly, it has
> become clear to me that Pig is operating as if it were a TLP inside Hadoop.
> We have four members on the Hadoop PMC, which means we have sufficient
> votes to elect our committers and release our products.
> Also, several Hadoop PMC members who have long experience in Apache
> projects have made clear to me that they believe Pig is ready to be a TLP.
> I was also concerned about diversity in our PMC, since our project is Yahoo
> heavy. Given that 10 out of 12 committers are Yahoo employees we need to
> work on this. But we do have experienced committers in three different
> organizations, and I think this gives us sufficient base to to work on it as
> a TLP.
> So, in summary, I have switched my view on this from "not yet" to "now is a
> good time". I think Pig is ready to be a TLP. We have a community of
> contributors and users that is growing both in numbers and in diversity. We
> have a strong group of committers who I believe are ready to take on
> leadership of the project and who will benefit from being mentored by the
> larger Apache community.