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Re: Proposal: create a separate ZooKeeper release artifact for recipes
I think it sounds like a great idea and a nice nucleus for a ZK
applications area.

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Patrick Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Somehow this got off list, Jordan and I just noticed, summary so far:
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Patrick Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 9:56 AM
> Subject: Re: Proposal: create a separate ZooKeeper release artifact for
> recipes
> To: Jordan Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> Did you mean to reply just to me? I think this is a great idea btw,
> just need to work out the mechanics of getting it integrated and get
> the others on board. Would it help to talk f2f?
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Jordan Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > From talking to folks here (and my own feeling), I'd like to have Curator
> > get as wide use as possible. Some sort of sanction from the ZooKeeper
> team
> > would do that. I don't see a lot of downside to getting a community
> around
> > it either. Sure, it's nice to be the only guy I need to please, but the
> > benefits of a community outweigh that.
> >
> > I think the beauty of folding it in to ZooKeeper is that the structure is
> > already there: Jira, website, etc. I (and probably one other from
> Netflix)
> > could take on the role of managing the Curator portion so that it doesn't
> > burden you folks. I'm doing that internally at Netflix anyway. Frankly,
> it
> > sounds like fun (famous last words).
> >
> > -Jordan
> >
> > On 12/1/11 5:36 PM, "Patrick Hunt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Jordan Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >>wrote:
> >>> The feeling here is that it would be nice to push Curator into ZK.
> >>> However, we'd still like to contribute to it. If you don't want
> separate
> >>> contributor lists, I could be a ZK contributor but explicitly only work
> >>>on
> >>> Curator. Of course, we're open to your suggestions on this as well.
> >>
> >>Don't get me wrong, I don't mind having one list of
> >>contributors/committers for ZK/Curator, I'm personally fine with
> >>having one. If you notice in my original proposal I lean towards that
> >>direction (single set of committers with multiple artifacts)
> >>
> >>I see a benefit to having something like Curator available to users,
> >>open sourcing it on GH accomplishes this. Bringing something to Apache
> >>means building a community around it though, not just making the code
> >>open source. This is analogous to when ZK itself was on sourceforge,
> >>eventually moving to Apache.
> >>
> >>Here's the issue: building community adds overhead, which you might
> >>not be willing to sign up for. I'm not sure we (zk community) can take
> >>on this additional cost alone. Hence my question -- I _wouldn't_ want
> >>to you leave, that's the point. We'd need some set of core "Curator
> >>contributors" who would continue to work on Curator, answer questions,
> >>shepherd new contributor/committers/etc... If that doesn't happen the
> >>code will get imported, see some use, but never really reach it's full
> >>potential.
> >>
> >>Hope that helps. LMK.
> >>
> >>Patrick
> >>
> >>>
> >>> On 12/1/11 2:01 PM, "Patrick Hunt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Jordan Zimmerman
> >>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>>wrote:
> >>>>> I've spoken about this with the appropriate folks here at Netflix and
> >>>>> we're interested in pursuing this. What are the next steps?
> >>>>
> >>>>Hi Jordan, what are your intentions. Do you want to build a community
> >>>>around "Apache Curator" or are you just looking to push the source
> >>>>into ZK and move on to other things?
> >>>>
> >>>>Patrick
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 11/30/11 5:42 PM, "Ted Dunning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Separator committer lists are generally frowned on by Apache (ref
> >>>>>>Lucene/Solr and also Mahout).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>They also are essentially unnecessary.  It isn't that big a deal to