Thanks for the reminder Simone.

Its now up at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/HadoopDevelopmentToolsProposal, and is of course linked off the project proposals page.

So anyone who wishes to join in please go ahead and add yourselves there, and dropping a note here would also be helpful. Remember to be a mentor my understanding is you need to be a member of the Incubator PMC.

Cheers,
Adam

On Oct 19, 2012, at 9:15 AM, Simone Gianni wrote:

Adam,
I think you should write your proposal in the incubator wiki, if you
haven't already, so that interested people can start adding themselves
there.

Simone

2012/10/19 Roman Shaposhnik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Adam Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
Hello,

Below is a proposal for a new incubator project. This idea came out of
and had strong support on
the general hadoop list, see the thread at
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/hadoop-general/201209.mbox/browser
.

We are looking for feedback, and to see who else would be interested in
contributing to this effort as a committer, as well as an additional mentor.

In general I'd be very happy to see this project as part of the Apache
Family and would
love to help with mentor-ship duties and also possible integration
with Apache Bigtop
and collaboration with MRUnit.

Future mentors -- please consider me volunteering for help on this one.

Thanks,
Roman.

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

On Oct 19, 2012, at 11:32 AM, Adam Berry wrote:

>
> Thanks for the reminder Simone.
>
> Its now up at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/HadoopDevelopmentToolsProposal, and is of course linked off the project proposals page.
>
> So anyone who wishes to join in please go ahead and add yourselves there, and dropping a note here would also be helpful. Remember to be a mentor my understanding is you need to be a member of the Incubator PMC.

Roman, I see you have just been announced as a member of the Incubator PMC, congratulations!

If you are willing to be a mentor that would be great.

Adam
>
> Cheers,
> Adam
>
> On Oct 19, 2012, at 9:15 AM, Simone Gianni wrote:
>
> Adam,
> I think you should write your proposal in the incubator wiki, if you
> haven't already, so that interested people can start adding themselves
> there.
>
> Simone
>
> 2012/10/19 Roman Shaposhnik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
>
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Adam Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Below is a proposal for a new incubator project. This idea came out of
> and had strong support on
> the general hadoop list, see the thread at
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/hadoop-general/201209.mbox/browser
> .
>
> We are looking for feedback, and to see who else would be interested in
> contributing to this effort as a committer, as well as an additional mentor.
>
> In general I'd be very happy to see this project as part of the Apache
> Family and would
> love to help with mentor-ship duties and also possible integration
> with Apache Bigtop
> and collaboration with MRUnit.
>
> Future mentors -- please consider me volunteering for help on this one.
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
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>
>

Hi all,

I've updated the proposal wiki to reflect that Roman has now volunteered as champion, and Evert has joined as a committer.

Cheers,
Adam
On Oct 19, 2012, at 1:59 PM, Adam Berry wrote:

>
> On Oct 19, 2012, at 11:32 AM, Adam Berry wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks for the reminder Simone.
>>
>> Its now up at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/HadoopDevelopmentToolsProposal, and is of course linked off the project proposals page.
>>
>> So anyone who wishes to join in please go ahead and add yourselves there, and dropping a note here would also be helpful. Remember to be a mentor my understanding is you need to be a member of the Incubator PMC.
>
> Roman, I see you have just been announced as a member of the Incubator PMC, congratulations!
>
> If you are willing to be a mentor that would be great.
>
> Adam
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Adam
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2012, at 9:15 AM, Simone Gianni wrote:
>>
>> Adam,
>> I think you should write your proposal in the incubator wiki, if you
>> haven't already, so that interested people can start adding themselves
>> there.
>>
>> Simone
>>
>> 2012/10/19 Roman Shaposhnik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Adam Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Below is a proposal for a new incubator project. This idea came out of
>> and had strong support on
>> the general hadoop list, see the thread at
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/hadoop-general/201209.mbox/browser
>> .
>>
>> We are looking for feedback, and to see who else would be interested in
>> contributing to this effort as a committer, as well as an additional mentor.
>>
>> In general I'd be very happy to see this project as part of the Apache
>> Family and would
>> love to help with mentor-ship duties and also possible integration
>> with Apache Bigtop
>> and collaboration with MRUnit.
>>
>> Future mentors -- please consider me volunteering for help on this one.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Roman.
>>
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>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>
>>
>

Hello,

Below is a proposal for a new incubator project. This idea came out of and had strong support on the general hadoop list, see the thread at http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/hadoop-general/201209.mbox/browser.

We are looking for feedback, and to see who else would be interested in contributing to this effort as a committer, as well as an additional mentor.

Cheers,
Adam Berry
Hadoop Development Tools Proposal

I’d like to propose the Hadoop Development Tools, a set of extensions to the Eclipse IDE to support developing against Apache Hadoop technologies.

= HDT (Hadoop Development Tools)
== Abstract = Tools to support developing applications that use Apache Hadoop from within Eclipse.

== Proposal = Hadoop Development Tools are a set of extensions to Eclipse providing support for creating, launching and debugging distributed applications, as well as interacting with HDFS filesystems. This work will build on the existing Map Reduce Tools present in the Apache Hadoop project.

== Background = Map Reduce Tools have existed as part of contrib for Apache Hadoop. Unfortunately they are source tied to a single version of Hadoop, and development has stalled, with little movement past the Hadoop 0.20 line.

== Rationale = Support for newer versions of Hadoop from within Eclipse is regularly raised on the Hadoop mailing lists, so there is a clear need to drive these tools forward. Development tools generally are worked on separate from the target tools/platform, separating the tools out will allow for supporting multiple versions, so a developer could work with a heterogeneous environment.

== Initial Goals = * Give the tools project a home of its own.
 * Port current MapReduce tools feature set to all current release lines of Hadoop in a single Eclipse install.
 * Documentation and tutorials for all features.
 * Publish Eclipse update site, and join Eclipse marketplace listing.
 * Establish release cycle that combines support for Hadoop and Eclipse release cycles.
 * Look to build support for YARN, MRUnit and possibly other Hadoop-related projects.

== Current Status =The source for the current MapReduceTools lives in the contrib section of the Hadoop source. In its current implementation it is tied to the version of Hadoop against which it is compiled. The layout and API that it was developed with means that it can only be used with the 0.20 or 1.0 Hadoop releases, the new layout and YARN api introduced with the 0.23 and 2.0 lines are not supported.
=== Meritocracy ==Several people and companies have already expressed an interest in contributing to this project, and we hope to attract additional interest during the proposal discussion. We plan to invest and support a meritocracy that attracts, invites, and supports newcomers to build a vibrant and  diverse community.

=== Community ==The target community is developers who are working developing Map/Reduce applications against Hadoop. Given the success of Hadoop the target group is likely to be quite large. Separation from the Hadoop community would make it easier to support multiple versions of hadoop, as well as merging the release cycles of Hadoop and Eclipse to provide predictable iteration and improvement in the toolset.

=== Core Developers ==The initial list of developers includes people experienced with developing against the Eclipse platform.
 * Adam Berry (amberry at yahoo-inc dot com)
 * Jeffrey Zemerick (jeffrrey at mtnfog dot com)

=== Alignment ==Hadoop Development Tools aligns with both Hadoop and Eclipse. Hadoop as the platform for the development target, and Eclipse as the IDE platform used as the base for the tools.

== Known Risks =
=== Orphaned Products ==
=== Inexperience with Open Source ==Adam Berry has experience of the Eclipse open source community, and has been building familiarity with the Apache processes through patches to the existing source.

=== Reliance on Salaried Developers ==Hadoop Development Tools will be developed with a mix of salaried and volunteer time.

=== Relationships with Other Apache Projects ==Hadoop Development Tools is closely related to Apache Hadoop.

=== An Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand == Given the success of Hadoop and associated projects, Apache is the natural place for the Hadoop Development Tools. Chris Mattman suggested the Apache Incubator as appropriate on the Hadoop general mailing list following the success that MRUnit had taking the path from Hadoop contrib to an Apache top level project.

== Documentation =Documentation for the current tools can be found at http://wiki.apache.org/hadoop/EclipsePlugIn

== Initial Source =http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/hadoop/common/trunk/hadoop-mapreduce-project/src/contrib/eclipse-plugin/

==  Source and Intellectual Property Submission Plan =The source, and any suggested initial patches, are already hosted either in Apache’s Subversion or JIRA.

==  External Dependencies =Eclipse Platform
Eclipse Java Development Tools

==  Cryptography =Hadoop Development Tools likely does not fall into this area.

==  Required Resources ==== Mailing lists == * hdt-dev
 * hdt-commits
 * hdt-user

=== Subversion Directory == * https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/hdt

=== Issue Tracking == * JIRA Hadoop Development Tools (HDT)

=== Other Resources == * Jenkins/Hudson for builds and test running.

== Initial Committers = * Adam Berry (amberry at yahoo-inc dot com)
 * Jeffrey Zemerick (jeffrrey at mtnfog dot com)

== Affiliations = * Adam Berry - Yahoo!
 * Jeffrey Zemerick - Mountain Fog

== Sponsors ==== Champion ==Chris Douglas

=== Nominated Mentors ==Chris Douglas
Chris Mattman

=== Sponsoring Entity ==Incubator PMC

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Adam Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Below is a proposal for a new incubator project. This idea came out of and had strong support on
> the general hadoop list, see the thread at http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/hadoop-general/201209.mbox/browser.
>
> We are looking for feedback, and to see who else would be interested in contributing to this effort as a committer, as well as an additional mentor.

In general I'd be very happy to see this project as part of the Apache
Family and would
love to help with mentor-ship duties and also possible integration
with Apache Bigtop
and collaboration with MRUnit.

Future mentors -- please consider me volunteering for help on this one.

Thanks,
Roman.

Hi Adam, thanks for the initiative, this is good news for us and our users as well - right now I'm advising ant targets for submitting MR jobs from Eclipse. I'll have a look to see whether / how we can contribute.

Best,
Evert

________________________________________
From: Adam Berry [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 10:01 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [DISCUSS] [PROPOSAL] Hadoop Development Tools

Hello,

Below is a proposal for a new incubator project. This idea came out of and had strong support on the general hadoop list, see the thread at http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/hadoop-general/201209.mbox/browser.

We are looking for feedback, and to see who else would be interested in contributing to this effort as a committer, as well as an additional mentor.

Cheers,
Adam Berry
Hadoop Development Tools Proposal

I’d like to propose the Hadoop Development Tools, a set of extensions to the Eclipse IDE to support developing against Apache Hadoop technologies.

= HDT (Hadoop Development Tools)
== Abstract = Tools to support developing applications that use Apache Hadoop from within Eclipse.

== Proposal = Hadoop Development Tools are a set of extensions to Eclipse providing support for creating, launching and debugging distributed applications, as well as interacting with HDFS filesystems. This work will build on the existing Map Reduce Tools present in the Apache Hadoop project.

== Background = Map Reduce Tools have existed as part of contrib for Apache Hadoop. Unfortunately they are source tied to a single version of Hadoop, and development has stalled, with little movement past the Hadoop 0.20 line.

== Rationale = Support for newer versions of Hadoop from within Eclipse is regularly raised on the Hadoop mailing lists, so there is a clear need to drive these tools forward. Development tools generally are worked on separate from the target tools/platform, separating the tools out will allow for supporting multiple versions, so a developer could work with a heterogeneous environment.

== Initial Goals = * Give the tools project a home of its own.
 * Port current MapReduce tools feature set to all current release lines of Hadoop in a single Eclipse install.
 * Documentation and tutorials for all features.
 * Publish Eclipse update site, and join Eclipse marketplace listing.
 * Establish release cycle that combines support for Hadoop and Eclipse release cycles.
 * Look to build support for YARN, MRUnit and possibly other Hadoop-related projects.

== Current Status =The source for the current MapReduceTools lives in the contrib section of the Hadoop source. In its current implementation it is tied to the version of Hadoop against which it is compiled. The layout and API that it was developed with means that it can only be used with the 0.20 or 1.0 Hadoop releases, the new layout and YARN api introduced with the 0.23 and 2.0 lines are not supported.
=== Meritocracy ==Several people and companies have already expressed an interest in contributing to this project, and we hope to attract additional interest during the proposal discussion. We plan to invest and support a meritocracy that attracts, invites, and supports newcomers to build a vibrant and  diverse community.

=== Community ==The target community is developers who are working developing Map/Reduce applications against Hadoop. Given the success of Hadoop the target group is likely to be quite large. Separation from the Hadoop community would make it easier to support multiple versions of hadoop, as well as merging the release cycles of Hadoop and Eclipse to provide predictable iteration and improvement in the toolset.

=== Core Developers ==The initial list of developers includes people experienced with developing against the Eclipse platform.
 * Adam Berry (amberry at yahoo-inc dot com)
 * Jeffrey Zemerick (jeffrrey at mtnfog dot com)

=== Alignment ==Hadoop Development Tools aligns with both Hadoop and Eclipse. Hadoop as the platform for the development target, and Eclipse as the IDE platform used as the base for the tools.

== Known Risks =
=== Orphaned Products ==
=== Inexperience with Open Source ==Adam Berry has experience of the Eclipse open source community, and has been building familiarity with the Apache processes through patches to the existing source.

=== Reliance on Salaried Developers ==Hadoop Development Tools will be developed with a mix of salaried and volunteer time.

=== Relationships with Other Apache Projects ==Hadoop Development Tools is closely related to Apache Hadoop.

=== An Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand == Given the success of Hadoop and associated projects, Apache is the natural place for the Hadoop Development Tools. Chris Mattman suggested the Apache Incubator as appropriate on the Hadoop general mailing list following the success that MRUnit had taking the path from Hadoop contrib to an Apache top level project.

== Documentation =Documentation for the current tools can be found at http://wiki.apache.org/hadoop/EclipsePlugIn

== Initial Source =http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/hadoop/common/trunk/hadoop-mapreduce-project/src/contrib/eclipse-plugin/

==  Source and Intellectual Property Submission Plan =The source, and any suggested initial patches, are already hosted either in Apache’s Subversion or JIRA.

==  External Dependencies =Eclipse Platform
Eclipse Java Development Tools

==  Cryptography =Hadoop Development Tools likely does not fall into this area.

==  Required Resources ==== Mailing lists == * hdt-dev
 * hdt-commits
 * hdt-user

=== Subversion Directory == * https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/hdt

=== Issue Tracking == * JIRA Hadoop Development Tools (HDT)

=== Other Resources == * Jenkins/Hudson for builds and test running.

== Initial Committers = * Adam Berry (amberry at yahoo-inc dot com)
 * Jeffrey Zemerick (jeffrrey at mtnfog dot com)

== Affiliations = * Adam Berry - Yahoo!
 * Jeffrey

Hi Evert,

that sounds interesting and certainly useful. If you could contribute that would be great. I'll check back in with you in a couple of days.

Cheers,
Adam

On Oct 17, 2012, at 4:52 PM, Evert Lammerts wrote:

> Hi Adam, thanks for the initiative, this is good news for us and our users as well - right now I'm advising ant targets for submitting MR jobs from Eclipse. I'll have a look to see whether / how we can contribute.
>
> Best,
> Evert
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Adam Berry [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 10:01 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [DISCUSS] [PROPOSAL] Hadoop Development Tools
>
> Hello,
>
> Below is a proposal for a new incubator project. This idea came out of and had strong support on the general hadoop list, see the thread at http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/hadoop-general/201209.mbox/browser.
>
> We are looking for feedback, and to see who else would be interested in contributing to this effort as a committer, as well as an additional mentor.
>
> Cheers,
> Adam Berry
>
>
> Hadoop Development Tools Proposal
>
> I’d like to propose the Hadoop Development Tools, a set of extensions to the Eclipse IDE to support developing against Apache Hadoop technologies.
>
> = HDT (Hadoop Development Tools) >
> == Abstract => Tools to support developing applications that use Apache Hadoop from within Eclipse.
>
> == Proposal => Hadoop Development Tools are a set of extensions to Eclipse providing support for creating, launching and debugging distributed applications, as well as interacting with HDFS filesystems. This work will build on the existing Map Reduce Tools present in the Apache Hadoop project.
>
> == Background => Map Reduce Tools have existed as part of contrib for Apache Hadoop. Unfortunately they are source tied to a single version of Hadoop, and development has stalled, with little movement past the Hadoop 0.20 line.
>
> == Rationale => Support for newer versions of Hadoop from within Eclipse is regularly raised on the Hadoop mailing lists, so there is a clear need to drive these tools forward. Development tools generally are worked on separate from the target tools/platform, separating the tools out will allow for supporting multiple versions, so a developer could work with a heterogeneous environment.
>
> == Initial Goals => * Give the tools project a home of its own.
> * Port current MapReduce tools feature set to all current release lines of Hadoop in a single Eclipse install.
> * Documentation and tutorials for all features.
> * Publish Eclipse update site, and join Eclipse marketplace listing.
> * Establish release cycle that combines support for Hadoop and Eclipse release cycles.
> * Look to build support for YARN, MRUnit and possibly other Hadoop-related projects.
>
> == Current Status => The source for the current MapReduceTools lives in the contrib section of the Hadoop source. In its current implementation it is tied to the version of Hadoop against which it is compiled. The layout and API that it was developed with means that it can only be used with the 0.20 or 1.0 Hadoop releases, the new layout and YARN api introduced with the 0.23 and 2.0 lines are not supported.
>
>
> === Meritocracy ==> Several people and companies have already expressed an interest in contributing to this project, and we hope to attract additional interest during the proposal discussion. We plan to invest and support a meritocracy that attracts, invites, and supports newcomers to build a vibrant and  diverse community.
>
> === Community ==> The target community is developers who are working developing Map/Reduce applications against Hadoop. Given the success of Hadoop the target group is likely to be quite large. Separation from the Hadoop community would make it easier to support multiple versions of hadoop, as well as merging the release cycles of Hadoop and Eclipse to provide predictable iteration and improvement in the toolset.

Just to keep everyone up to date over here as well, the vote has started over on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list.

Cheers,
Adam
On Oct 17, 2012, at 5:06 PM, Adam Berry wrote:

> Hi Evert,
>
> that sounds interesting and certainly useful. If you could contribute that would be great. I'll check back in with you in a couple of days.
>
> Cheers,
> Adam
>
> On Oct 17, 2012, at 4:52 PM, Evert Lammerts wrote:
>
>> Hi Adam, thanks for the initiative, this is good news for us and our users as well - right now I'm advising ant targets for submitting MR jobs from Eclipse. I'll have a look to see whether / how we can contribute.
>>
>> Best,
>> Evert
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Adam Berry [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 10:01 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: [DISCUSS] [PROPOSAL] Hadoop Development Tools
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Below is a proposal for a new incubator project. This idea came out of and had strong support on the general hadoop list, see the thread at http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/hadoop-general/201209.mbox/browser.
>>
>> We are looking for feedback, and to see who else would be interested in contributing to this effort as a committer, as well as an additional mentor.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Adam Berry
>>
>>
>> Hadoop Development Tools Proposal
>>
>> I’d like to propose the Hadoop Development Tools, a set of extensions to the Eclipse IDE to support developing against Apache Hadoop technologies.
>>
>> = HDT (Hadoop Development Tools) >>
>> == Abstract =>> Tools to support developing applications that use Apache Hadoop from within Eclipse.
>>
>> == Proposal =>> Hadoop Development Tools are a set of extensions to Eclipse providing support for creating, launching and debugging distributed applications, as well as interacting with HDFS filesystems. This work will build on the existing Map Reduce Tools present in the Apache Hadoop project.
>>
>> == Background =>> Map Reduce Tools have existed as part of contrib for Apache Hadoop. Unfortunately they are source tied to a single version of Hadoop, and development has stalled, with little movement past the Hadoop 0.20 line.
>>
>> == Rationale =>> Support for newer versions of Hadoop from within Eclipse is regularly raised on the Hadoop mailing lists, so there is a clear need to drive these tools forward. Development tools generally are worked on separate from the target tools/platform, separating the tools out will allow for supporting multiple versions, so a developer could work with a heterogeneous environment.
>>
>> == Initial Goals =>> * Give the tools project a home of its own.
>> * Port current MapReduce tools feature set to all current release lines of Hadoop in a single Eclipse install.
>> * Documentation and tutorials for all features.
>> * Publish Eclipse update site, and join Eclipse marketplace listing.
>> * Establish release cycle that combines support for Hadoop and Eclipse release cycles.
>> * Look to build support for YARN, MRUnit and possibly other Hadoop-related projects.
>>
>> == Current Status =>> The source for the current MapReduceTools lives in the contrib section of the Hadoop source. In its current implementation it is tied to the version of Hadoop against which it is compiled. The layout and API that it was developed with means that it can only be used with the 0.20 or 1.0 Hadoop releases, the new layout and YARN api introduced with the 0.23 and 2.0 lines are not supported.
>>
>>
>> === Meritocracy ==>> Several people and companies have already expressed an interest in contributing to this project, and we hope to attract additional interest during the proposal discussion. We plan to invest and support a meritocracy that attracts, invites, and supports newcomers to build a vibrant and  diverse community.
>>
>> === Community ==>> The target community is developers who are working developing Map/Reduce applications against Hadoop. Given the success of Hadoop the target group is likely to be quite large. Separation from the Hadoop community would make it easier to support multiple versions of hadoop, as well as merging the release cycles of Hadoop and Eclipse to provide predictable iteration and improvement in the toolset.