http://hadoop.apache.org/#What+Is+Apache%E2%84%A2+Hadoop%E2%84%A2%3F

March 2011 - Apache Hadoop takes top prize at Media Guardian Innovation
Awards

The Hadoop project won the "innovator of the year"award from the UK's
Guardian newspaper, where it was described as "had the potential as a
greater catalyst for innovation than other nominees including WikiLeaks and
the iPad."

Does this copy text bother anyone else? Sure winning any award is great but
does hadoop want to be associated with "innovation" like WikiLeaks?

Edward

Yes!

-Pete

---- Edward Capriolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

============http://hadoop.apache.org/#What+Is+Apache%E2%84%A2+Hadoop%E2%84%A2%3F

March 2011 - Apache Hadoop takes top prize at Media Guardian Innovation
Awards

The Hadoop project won the "innovator of the year"award from the UK's
Guardian newspaper, where it was described as "had the potential as a
greater catalyst for innovation than other nominees including WikiLeaks and
the iPad."

Does this copy text bother anyone else? Sure winning any award is great but
does hadoop want to be associated with "innovation" like WikiLeaks?

Edward

--

1. If a man is standing in the middle of the forest talking, and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong?

2. Behind every great woman... Is a man checking out her ass

3. I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat.*

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On 18/05/11 18:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Yes!
>
> -Pete
>
> ---- Edward Capriolo<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  wrote:
>
> ============> http://hadoop.apache.org/#What+Is+Apache%E2%84%A2+Hadoop%E2%84%A2%3F
>
> March 2011 - Apache Hadoop takes top prize at Media Guardian Innovation
> Awards
>
> The Hadoop project won the "innovator of the year"award from the UK's
> Guardian newspaper, where it was described as "had the potential as a
> greater catalyst for innovation than other nominees including WikiLeaks and
> the iPad."
>
> Does this copy text bother anyone else? Sure winning any award is great but
> does hadoop want to be associated with "innovation" like WikiLeaks?
Ian updated the page yesterday with changes I'd put in for trademarks,
and I added this news quote directly from the paper. We could strip out
the quote easily enough.

Interesting to note that Cassandra and ZK are now considered Hadoop
projects.

There were independent of Hadoop before the recent update.
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 4:18 AM, Steve Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 18/05/11 18:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Yes!
>>
>> -Pete
>>
>> ---- Edward Capriolo<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  wrote:
>>
>> ============>> http://hadoop.apache.org/#What+Is+Apache%E2%84%A2+Hadoop%E2%84%A2%3F
>>
>> March 2011 - Apache Hadoop takes top prize at Media Guardian Innovation
>> Awards
>>
>> The Hadoop project won the "innovator of the year"award from the UK's
>> Guardian newspaper, where it was described as "had the potential as a
>> greater catalyst for innovation than other nominees including WikiLeaks
>> and
>> the iPad."
>>
>> Does this copy text bother anyone else? Sure winning any award is great
>> but
>> does hadoop want to be associated with "innovation" like WikiLeaks?
>>
>
>
> Ian updated the page yesterday with changes I'd put in for trademarks, and
> I added this news quote directly from the paper. We could strip out the
> quote easily enough.
>
>

All your (code)base are belong to Hadoop?

James
On 2011-05-19, at 8:27 AM, M. C. Srivas wrote:

> Interesting to note that Cassandra and ZK are now considered Hadoop
> projects.
>
> There were independent of Hadoop before the recent update.
>
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 4:18 AM, Steve Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On 18/05/11 18:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>> Yes!
>>>
>>> -Pete
>>>
>>> ---- Edward Capriolo<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  wrote:
>>>
>>> ============>>> http://hadoop.apache.org/#What+Is+Apache%E2%84%A2+Hadoop%E2%84%A2%3F
>>>
>>> March 2011 - Apache Hadoop takes top prize at Media Guardian Innovation
>>> Awards
>>>
>>> The Hadoop project won the "innovator of the year"award from the UK's
>>> Guardian newspaper, where it was described as "had the potential as a
>>> greater catalyst for innovation than other nominees including WikiLeaks
>>> and
>>> the iPad."
>>>
>>> Does this copy text bother anyone else? Sure winning any award is great
>>> but
>>> does hadoop want to be associated with "innovation" like WikiLeaks?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Ian updated the page yesterday with changes I'd put in for trademarks, and
>> I added this news quote directly from the paper. We could strip out the
>> quote easily enough.
>>
>>

>>> Does this copy text bother anyone else? Sure winning any award is great
>>> but
>>> does hadoop want to be associated with "innovation" like WikiLeaks?
>>>
>

[Only] through the free distribution of information, the guaranteed integrity of said information and an aggressive system of checks and balances can man truly be free and hold the winning card.

So...  YES. Hadoop should be considered an innovation that promotes the free flow of information and a statistical whistle blower.

Take off your damn aluminum hat. If it doesn't work for you, it will work against you.

On May 19, 2011, at 8:54 AM, James Seigel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>>> Does this copy text bother anyone else? Sure winning any award is great
>>>> but
>>>> does hadoop want to be associated with "innovation" like WikiLeaks?
>>>>
>>>

On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 4:13 PM, highpointe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >>> Does this copy text bother anyone else? Sure winning any award is great
> >>> but
> >>> does hadoop want to be associated with "innovation" like WikiLeaks?
> >>>
> >
>
> [Only] through the free distribution of information, the guaranteed
> integrity of said information and an aggressive system of checks and
> balances can man truly be free and hold the winning card.
>
> So...  YES. Hadoop should be considered an innovation that promotes the
> free flow of information and a statistical whistle blower.
>
> Take off your damn aluminum hat. If it doesn't work for you, it will work
> against you.
>
> On May 19, 2011, at 8:54 AM, James Seigel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >>>> Does this copy text bother anyone else? Sure winning any award is
> great
> >>>> but
> >>>> does hadoop want to be associated with "innovation" like WikiLeaks?
> >>>>
> >>>
>

I do not know how to interpret your lame "aluminum hat" insult.

As far as I am concerned WikiLeaks helped reveal classified US information
across the the internet. We can go back and forth about governments having
too much secret/classified information and what the public should know,
...BUT... I believe that stealing and broadcasting secret documents is not
"innovation" and it surely put many lives at risk.

I also believe that Wikileaks is tainted with Julian Assange's actions.

*Dec 1 : The International Criminal Police Organisation or INTERPOL on
Wednesday said it has issued look out notice for arrest of WikiLeaks' owner
Julian Assange on suspicion of rape charges on the basis of the Swedish
Government's arrest warrant.*

http://www.newkerala.com/news/world/fullnews-95693.html

Those outside the US see wikileaks a different way they I do, but for the
reasons I outlined above I would not want to be associated with them at all.
Moreover, I believe there already is an aggressive system of checks and
balances in the US (it could be better of course) and we do not need
innovation like wikileaks offers to stay free, like open source the US is
always changing and innovating.

Wikileaks represents irresponsible use of technology that should be avoided.

C'mon guys -- while this is of course an interesting debate, can we
please keep it off common-user?

-Todd

On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Edward Capriolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 4:13 PM, highpointe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> >>> Does this copy text bother anyone else? Sure winning any award is great
>> >>> but
>> >>> does hadoop want to be associated with "innovation" like WikiLeaks?
>> >>>
>> >
>>
>> [Only] through the free distribution of information, the guaranteed
>> integrity of said information and an aggressive system of checks and
>> balances can man truly be free and hold the winning card.
>>
>> So...  YES. Hadoop should be considered an innovation that promotes the
>> free flow of information and a statistical whistle blower.
>>
>> Take off your damn aluminum hat. If it doesn't work for you, it will work
>> against you.
>>
>> On May 19, 2011, at 8:54 AM, James Seigel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >>>> Does this copy text bother anyone else? Sure winning any award is
>> great
>> >>>> but
>> >>>> does hadoop want to be associated with "innovation" like WikiLeaks?
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>>
>
> I do not know how to interpret your lame "aluminum hat" insult.
>
> As far as I am concerned WikiLeaks helped reveal classified US information
> across the the internet. We can go back and forth about governments having
> too much secret/classified information and what the public should know,
> ...BUT... I believe that stealing and broadcasting secret documents is not
> "innovation" and it surely put many lives at risk.
>
> I also believe that Wikileaks is tainted with Julian Assange's actions.
>
> *Dec 1 : The International Criminal Police Organisation or INTERPOL on
> Wednesday said it has issued look out notice for arrest of WikiLeaks' owner
> Julian Assange on suspicion of rape charges on the basis of the Swedish
> Government's arrest warrant.*
>
> http://www.newkerala.com/news/world/fullnews-95693.html
>
> Those outside the US see wikileaks a different way they I do, but for the
> reasons I outlined above I would not want to be associated with them at all.
> Moreover, I believe there already is an aggressive system of checks and
> balances in the US (it could be better of course) and we do not need
> innovation like wikileaks offers to stay free, like open source the US is
> always changing and innovating.
>
> Wikileaks represents irresponsible use of technology that should be avoided.
>

--
Todd Lipcon
Software Engineer, Cloudera

On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Todd Lipcon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> C'mon guys -- while this is of course an interesting debate, can we
> please keep it off common-user?
>
> -Todd
>
> On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Edward Capriolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 4:13 PM, highpointe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> >>> Does this copy text bother anyone else? Sure winning any award is
> great
> >> >>> but
> >> >>> does hadoop want to be associated with "innovation" like WikiLeaks?
> >> >>>
> >> >
> >>
> >> [Only] through the free distribution of information, the guaranteed
> >> integrity of said information and an aggressive system of checks and
> >> balances can man truly be free and hold the winning card.
> >>
> >> So...  YES. Hadoop should be considered an innovation that promotes the
> >> free flow of information and a statistical whistle blower.
> >>
> >> Take off your damn aluminum hat. If it doesn't work for you, it will
> work
> >> against you.
> >>
> >> On May 19, 2011, at 8:54 AM, James Seigel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >>>> Does this copy text bother anyone else? Sure winning any award is
> >> great
> >> >>>> but
> >> >>>> does hadoop want to be associated with "innovation" like WikiLeaks?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >>
> >
> > I do not know how to interpret your lame "aluminum hat" insult.
> >
> > As far as I am concerned WikiLeaks helped reveal classified US
> information
> > across the the internet. We can go back and forth about governments
> having
> > too much secret/classified information and what the public should know,
> > ...BUT... I believe that stealing and broadcasting secret documents is
> not
> > "innovation" and it surely put many lives at risk.
> >
> > I also believe that Wikileaks is tainted with Julian Assange's actions.
> >
> > *Dec 1 : The International Criminal Police Organisation or INTERPOL on
> > Wednesday said it has issued look out notice for arrest of WikiLeaks'
> owner
> > Julian Assange on suspicion of rape charges on the basis of the Swedish
> > Government's arrest warrant.*
> >
> > http://www.newkerala.com/news/world/fullnews-95693.html
> >
> > Those outside the US see wikileaks a different way they I do, but for the
> > reasons I outlined above I would not want to be associated with them at
> all.
> > Moreover, I believe there already is an aggressive system of checks and
> > balances in the US (it could be better of course) and we do not need
> > innovation like wikileaks offers to stay free, like open source the US is
> > always changing and innovating.
> >
> > Wikileaks represents irresponsible use of technology that should be
> avoided.
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Todd Lipcon
> Software Engineer, Cloudera
>

Where should it go?

Maybe we should add a political ramifications thread.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 22, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Edward Capriolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Todd Lipcon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> C'mon guys -- while this is of course an interesting debate, can we
>> please keep it off common-user?
>>
>> -Todd
>>
>> On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Edward Capriolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>> On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 4:13 PM, highpointe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> Does this copy text bother anyone else? Sure winning any award is
>> great
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> does hadoop want to be associated with "innovation" like WikiLeaks?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [Only] through the free distribution of information, the guaranteed
>>>> integrity of said information and an aggressive system of checks and
>>>> balances can man truly be free and hold the winning card.
>>>>
>>>> So...  YES. Hadoop should be considered an innovation that promotes the
>>>> free flow of information and a statistical whistle blower.
>>>>
>>>> Take off your damn aluminum hat. If it doesn't work for you, it will
>> work
>>>> against you.
>>>>
>>>> On May 19, 2011, at 8:54 AM, James Seigel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does this copy text bother anyone else? Sure winning any award is
>>>> great
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> does hadoop want to be associated with "innovation" like WikiLeaks?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I do not know how to interpret your lame "aluminum hat" insult.
>>>
>>> As far as I am concerned WikiLeaks helped reveal classified US
>> information
>>> across the the internet. We can go back and forth about governments
>> having
>>> too much secret/classified information and what the public should know,
>>> ...BUT... I believe that stealing and broadcasting secret documents is
>> not
>>> "innovation" and it surely put many lives at risk.
>>>
>>> I also believe that Wikileaks is tainted with Julian Assange's actions.
>>>
>>> *Dec 1 : The International Criminal Police Organisation or INTERPOL on
>>> Wednesday said it has issued look out notice for arrest of WikiLeaks'
>> owner
>>> Julian Assange on suspicion of rape charges on the basis of the Swedish
>>> Government's arrest warrant.*
>>>
>>> http://www.newkerala.com/news/world/fullnews-95693.html
>>>
>>> Those outside the US see wikileaks a different way they I do, but for the
>>> reasons I outlined above I would not want to be associated with them at
>> all.
>>> Moreover, I believe there already is an aggressive system of checks and
>>> balances in the US (it could be better of course) and we do not need
>>> innovation like wikileaks offers to stay free, like open source the US is
>>> always changing and innovating.
>>>
>>> Wikileaks represents irresponsible use of technology that should be
>> avoided.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Todd Lipcon
>> Software Engineer, Cloudera
>>
>
> Where should it go?

On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 15:30, Edward Capriolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
but for the
> reasons I outlined above I would not want to be associated with them at all.

"I give no damn about your opinion, but I will defend your right to
express it with my blood..."

That said, please express such opinions not in the hadoop user list
simply because [EMAIL PROTECTED] isn't a place to debate
balances and checks.

On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 15:30, Edward Capriolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> but for the
> > reasons I outlined above I would not want to be associated with them at
> all.
>
> "I give no damn about your opinion, but I will defend your right to
> express it with my blood..."
>
> That said, please express such opinions not in the hadoop user list
> simply because [EMAIL PROTECTED] isn't a place to debate
> balances and checks.
>

Correct. But it is a place to discuss changing the content of
http://hadoop.apache.org which is what I am advocating.

On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Edward Capriolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Correct. But it is a place to discuss changing the content of
> http://hadoop.apache.org which is what I am advocating.
>

Fair enough. Is anyone -1 on rephrasing the news item to "had the
potential as a greater catalyst for innovation than other nominees..."
(ie cutting out the mention of iPad/wikileaks?)

If not, I will change it tomorrow.

-Todd

--
Todd Lipcon
Software Engineer, Cloudera

On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 8:44 PM, Todd Lipcon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Edward Capriolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Correct. But it is a place to discuss changing the content of
> > http://hadoop.apache.org which is what I am advocating.
> >
>
> Fair enough. Is anyone -1 on rephrasing the news item to "had the
> potential as a greater catalyst for innovation than other nominees..."
> (ie cutting out the mention of iPad/wikileaks?)
>
> If not, I will change it tomorrow.
>
> -Todd
>
> --
> Todd Lipcon
> Software Engineer, Cloudera
>

This is a nice slug:

Described by the judging panel as a "Swiss army knife of the 21st century",
Apache Hadoop picked up the innovator of the year award for having the
potential to change the face of media innovations.

On 23/05/11 01:10, Edward Capriolo wrote:

>
> Correct. But it is a place to discuss changing the content of
> http://hadoop.apache.org which is what I am advocating.
>

Todd's going to fix it. I just copied and pasted in the newspaper quote:
it's not that I wanted to make any statement whatsoever, I just slapped
in what the paper said. That's one of the English papers that isn't
allowed to say which soccer player has been playing away from home, or
reprint any part of the twitter query
http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23superinjunction . When Britain has
secrets, see, they're shallow and meaningless.

For anyone who wants to see what the award looks like, here's Owen
holding it
http://www.flickr.com/photos/steve_l/5560919533/in/set-72157626356732562

apparently people kept coming up to talk to Jakob when he was walking
round the cube, though once he started to explain about distributed file
systems and resilient application execution through idempotent
operations executed near the data they always ran off.

-steve

ZK started as sub-project of Hadoop.

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 7:27 AM, M. C. Srivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Interesting to note that Cassandra and ZK are now considered Hadoop
> projects.
>
> There were independent of Hadoop before the recent update.
>
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 4:18 AM, Steve Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On 18/05/11 18:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >> Yes!
> >>
> >> -Pete
> >>
> >> ---- Edward Capriolo<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  wrote:
> >>
> >> ============> >> http://hadoop.apache.org/#What+Is+Apache%E2%84%A2+Hadoop%E2%84%A2%3F
> >>
> >> March 2011 - Apache Hadoop takes top prize at Media Guardian Innovation
> >> Awards
> >>
> >> The Hadoop project won the "innovator of the year"award from the UK's
> >> Guardian newspaper, where it was described as "had the potential as a
> >> greater catalyst for innovation than other nominees including WikiLeaks
> >> and
> >> the iPad."
> >>
> >> Does this copy text bother anyone else? Sure winning any award is great
> >> but
> >> does hadoop want to be associated with "innovation" like WikiLeaks?
> >>
> >
> >
> > Ian updated the page yesterday with changes I'd put in for trademarks,
> and
> > I added this news quote directly from the paper. We could strip out the
> > quote easily enough.
> >
> >
>

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Ted Dunning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> ZK started as sub-project of Hadoop.
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 7:27 AM, M. C. Srivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Interesting to note that Cassandra and ZK are now considered Hadoop
> > projects.
> >
> > There were independent of Hadoop before the recent update.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 4:18 AM, Steve Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > On 18/05/11 18:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > >> Yes!
> > >>
> > >> -Pete
> > >>
> > >> ---- Edward Capriolo<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> ============> > >> http://hadoop.apache.org/#What+Is+Apache%E2%84%A2+Hadoop%E2%84%A2%3F
> > >>
> > >> March 2011 - Apache Hadoop takes top prize at Media Guardian
> Innovation
> > >> Awards
> > >>
> > >> The Hadoop project won the "innovator of the year"award from the UK's
> > >> Guardian newspaper, where it was described as "had the potential as a
> > >> greater catalyst for innovation than other nominees including
> WikiLeaks
> > >> and
> > >> the iPad."
> > >>
> > >> Does this copy text bother anyone else? Sure winning any award is
> great
> > >> but
> > >> does hadoop want to be associated with "innovation" like WikiLeaks?
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > Ian updated the page yesterday with changes I'd put in for trademarks,
> > and
> > > I added this news quote directly from the paper. We could strip out the
> > > quote easily enough.
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Cassandra is not considered to be a hadoop project or sub-project. The site
mentions "Other Hadoop-related projects at Apache include". The relation is
that Cassandra has Input and Output formats and other support.

You are, perhaps, aware that now your name will be associated with
WikiLeaks too because this mailing list is archived and publicly
searchable? I think you are a hero, man!
--
  Take care,
Konstantin (Cos) Boudnik
2CAC 8312 4870 D885 8616  6115 220F 6980 1F27 E622

Disclaimer: Opinions expressed in this email are those of the author,
and do not necessarily represent the views of any company the author
might be affiliated with at the moment of writing.

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 09:53, Edward Capriolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://hadoop.apache.org/#What+Is+Apache%E2%84%A2+Hadoop%E2%84%A2%3F
>
> March 2011 - Apache Hadoop takes top prize at Media Guardian Innovation
> Awards
>
> The Hadoop project won the "innovator of the year"award from the UK's
> Guardian newspaper, where it was described as "had the potential as a
> greater catalyst for innovation than other nominees including WikiLeaks and
> the iPad."
>
> Does this copy text bother anyone else? Sure winning any award is great but
> does hadoop want to be associated with "innovation" like WikiLeaks?
>
> Edward
>