If you think that's the best path forward that's fine.  I can't call a vote I don't think, since I'm not part of the Hive PMC.  But I'm happy to draft a resolution for you and then let you call the vote.  Should I do that?

Alan.

On Jan 11, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Carl Steinbach wrote:

> Hi Alan,
>
> I agree that submitting this for a vote is the best option.
>  
> If anyone has additional proposed modifications please make them.  Otherwise I propose that the Hive PMC vote on this proposal.
>
> In order for the Hive PMC to be able to vote on these changes they need to be expressed in terms of one or more of the "actions" listed at the end of the Hive project bylaws:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/Hive/Bylaws
>
> So I think we first need to amend to the bylaws in order to define the rights and privileges of a submodule committer, and then separately vote the HCatalog committers in as Hive submodule committers. Does this make sense?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Carl
>

Sounds like a good plan to me. Since Ashutosh is a member of both the Hive
and HCatalog PMCs it probably makes more sense for him to call the vote,
but I'm willing to do it too.

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Alan Gates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If you think that's the best path forward that's fine.  I can't call a
> vote I don't think, since I'm not part of the Hive PMC.  But I'm happy to
> draft a resolution for you and then let you call the vote.  Should I do
> that?
>
> Alan.
>
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Carl Steinbach wrote:
>
> > Hi Alan,
> >
> > I agree that submitting this for a vote is the best option.
> >
> > If anyone has additional proposed modifications please make them.
>  Otherwise I propose that the Hive PMC vote on this proposal.
> >
> > In order for the Hive PMC to be able to vote on these changes they need
> to be expressed in terms of one or more of the "actions" listed at the end
> of the Hive project bylaws:
> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/Hive/Bylaws
> >
> > So I think we first need to amend to the bylaws in order to define the
> rights and privileges of a submodule committer, and then separately vote
> the HCatalog committers in as Hive submodule committers. Does this make
> sense?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Carl
> >
>
>

I've created a wiki page for my proposed changes at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/Hive/Proposed+Changes+to+Hive+Bylaws+for+Submodule+Committers

Text to be removed is struck through.  Text to be added is in italics.

Any recommended changes before we vote?

Alan.
On Jan 17, 2013, at 2:08 PM, Carl Steinbach wrote:

> Sounds like a good plan to me. Since Ashutosh is a member of both the Hive
> and HCatalog PMCs it probably makes more sense for him to call the vote,
> but I'm willing to do it too.
>
> On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Alan Gates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> If you think that's the best path forward that's fine.  I can't call a
>> vote I don't think, since I'm not part of the Hive PMC.  But I'm happy to
>> draft a resolution for you and then let you call the vote.  Should I do
>> that?
>>
>> Alan.
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Carl Steinbach wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Alan,
>>>
>>> I agree that submitting this for a vote is the best option.
>>>
>>> If anyone has additional proposed modifications please make them.
>> Otherwise I propose that the Hive PMC vote on this proposal.
>>>
>>> In order for the Hive PMC to be able to vote on these changes they need
>> to be expressed in terms of one or more of the "actions" listed at the end
>> of the Hive project bylaws:
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/Hive/Bylaws
>>>
>>> So I think we first need to amend to the bylaws in order to define the
>> rights and privileges of a submodule committer, and then separately vote
>> the HCatalog committers in as Hive submodule committers. Does this make
>> sense?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
>>
>>

Hi Alan,

Overall this looks good to me. I have a couple small suggestions:

* Replace occurrences of  "Hive's subversion repository" with "Hive's
source code repository".
* In the "Actions" table the sentence "This also covers the creation of new
sub-projects within the project" should be changed to "This also covers the
creation of new sub-projects and sub-modules within the project."

Thanks.

Carl
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Alan Gates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've created a wiki page for my proposed changes at
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/Hive/Proposed+Changes+to+Hive+Bylaws+for+Submodule+Committers
>
> Text to be removed is struck through.  Text to be added is in italics.
>
> Any recommended changes before we vote?
>
> Alan.
>
>
> On Jan 17, 2013, at 2:08 PM, Carl Steinbach wrote:
>
> > Sounds like a good plan to me. Since Ashutosh is a member of both the
> Hive
> > and HCatalog PMCs it probably makes more sense for him to call the vote,
> > but I'm willing to do it too.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Alan Gates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> If you think that's the best path forward that's fine.  I can't call a
> >> vote I don't think, since I'm not part of the Hive PMC.  But I'm happy
> to
> >> draft a resolution for you and then let you call the vote.  Should I do
> >> that?
> >>
> >> Alan.
> >>
> >> On Jan 11, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Carl Steinbach wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Alan,
> >>>
> >>> I agree that submitting this for a vote is the best option.
> >>>
> >>> If anyone has additional proposed modifications please make them.
> >> Otherwise I propose that the Hive PMC vote on this proposal.
> >>>
> >>> In order for the Hive PMC to be able to vote on these changes they need
> >> to be expressed in terms of one or more of the "actions" listed at the
> end
> >> of the Hive project bylaws:
> >>>
> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/Hive/Bylaws
> >>>
> >>> So I think we first need to amend to the bylaws in order to define the
> >> rights and privileges of a submodule committer, and then separately vote
> >> the HCatalog committers in as Hive submodule committers. Does this make
> >> sense?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks.
> >>>
> >>> Carl
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
>

Changes made.

Alan.

On Jan 21, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Carl Steinbach wrote:

> Hi Alan,
>
> Overall this looks good to me. I have a couple small suggestions:
>
> * Replace occurrences of  "Hive's subversion repository" with "Hive's
> source code repository".
> * In the "Actions" table the sentence "This also covers the creation of new
> sub-projects within the project" should be changed to "This also covers the
> creation of new sub-projects and sub-modules within the project."
>
> Thanks.
>
> Carl
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Alan Gates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I've created a wiki page for my proposed changes at
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/Hive/Proposed+Changes+to+Hive+Bylaws+for+Submodule+Committers
>>
>> Text to be removed is struck through.  Text to be added is in italics.
>>
>> Any recommended changes before we vote?
>>
>> Alan.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 17, 2013, at 2:08 PM, Carl Steinbach wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds like a good plan to me. Since Ashutosh is a member of both the
>> Hive
>>> and HCatalog PMCs it probably makes more sense for him to call the vote,
>>> but I'm willing to do it too.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Alan Gates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you think that's the best path forward that's fine.  I can't call a
>>>> vote I don't think, since I'm not part of the Hive PMC.  But I'm happy
>> to
>>>> draft a resolution for you and then let you call the vote.  Should I do
>>>> that?
>>>>
>>>> Alan.
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Carl Steinbach wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Alan,
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree that submitting this for a vote is the best option.
>>>>>
>>>>> If anyone has additional proposed modifications please make them.
>>>> Otherwise I propose that the Hive PMC vote on this proposal.
>>>>>
>>>>> In order for the Hive PMC to be able to vote on these changes they need
>>>> to be expressed in terms of one or more of the "actions" listed at the
>> end
>>>> of the Hive project bylaws:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/Hive/Bylaws
>>>>>
>>>>> So I think we first need to amend to the bylaws in order to define the
>>>> rights and privileges of a submodule committer, and then separately vote
>>>> the HCatalog committers in as Hive submodule committers. Does this make
>>>> sense?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Carl
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>