Hi everyone,

I want to discuss a question and described as following:

what is the differences between hdfs and kfs(kosmos file system)?

Thanks in advance.

On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:33 AM, gschen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> what is the differences between hdfs and kfs(kosmos file system)?
>
>
The biggest difference is that kfs is not very active (but not quite dead!)
and hdfs has a pretty active development community.

If you are looking for a file system that has all the virtues of kfs (fast
implementation, fancier file semantics like update) as well as better
performance than hdfs and some whacking cool things like snapshots and
mirrors, check out MapR.  (I bet nobody knew I would say that)

On 09/10/11 08:57, Ted Dunning wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:33 AM, gschen<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  wrote:
>
>>
>> what is the differences between hdfs and kfs(kosmos file system)?
>>
>>
> The biggest difference is that kfs is not very active (but not quite dead!)
> and hdfs has a pretty active development community.
>
> If you are looking for a file system that has all the virtues of kfs (fast
> implementation, fancier file semantics like update) as well as better
> performance than hdfs and some whacking cool things like snapshots and
> mirrors, check out MapR.  (I bet nobody knew I would say that)
>

I am going to start advocating FAT32. I think it is undervalued, cross
platform and now even supports both upper and lower case text in
filenames, filenames that can now be more than 8 chars long.

Ted,
   Please keep the marketing of closed-source insecure filesystems
such as MapR (and FAT32 *laugh*) off of the Apache Hadoop lists.

-- Owen

Owen,
Are you still a bit touchy over Mike Olson's rebuttal to your blog? :-P
<triumph_insult_comic_dog>(I kee-id, I kee-id) </triumph_insult_comic_dog>

-----Original Message-----
From: Owen O'Malley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 1:14 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: kfs and hdfs

Ted,
   Please keep the marketing of closed-source insecure filesystems such as MapR (and FAT32 *laugh*) off of the Apache Hadoop lists.

-- Owen

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Mike,

I am not speaking for Owen in any way and appreciate your sense of humor, but
the position he has expressed was (and hopefully remain) a stance of these
lists: they aren't a marketing materials distribution channels. These are dev.
mailing lists.

Cos

On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 01:59PM, Segel, Mike wrote:
> Owen,
> Are you still a bit touchy over Mike Olson's rebuttal to your blog? :-P
> <triumph_insult_comic_dog>(I kee-id, I kee-id) </triumph_insult_comic_dog>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Owen O'Malley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 1:14 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: kfs and hdfs
>
> Ted,
>    Please keep the marketing of closed-source insecure filesystems such as MapR (and FAT32 *laugh*) off of the Apache Hadoop lists.
>
> -- Owen
>

Agree with Cos completely.

As Apache Hadoop becomes more successful, we can expect more of these marketing messages from all sorts of vendors on Apache lists.

Of course it's preaching to the choir when it comes to Mike - I've seen him make similar arguments against other vendors on various forums (LI etc.)... so, thanks Mike! :)

Arun

On Oct 10, 2011, at 12:09 PM, Konstantin Boudnik wrote:

> Mike,
>
> I am not speaking for Owen in any way and appreciate your sense of humor, but
> the position he has expressed was (and hopefully remain) a stance of these
> lists: they aren't a marketing materials distribution channels. These are dev.
> mailing lists.
>
> Cos
>
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 01:59PM, Segel, Mike wrote:
>> Owen,
>> Are you still a bit touchy over Mike Olson's rebuttal to your blog? :-P
>> <triumph_insult_comic_dog>(I kee-id, I kee-id) </triumph_insult_comic_dog>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Owen O'Malley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 1:14 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: kfs and hdfs
>>
>> Ted,
>>   Please keep the marketing of closed-source insecure filesystems such as MapR (and FAT32 *laugh*) off of the Apache Hadoop lists.
>>
>> -- Owen
>>

Guys,
I'm sorry. I really couldn't resist. :-)

Yeah, Arun is right. I've given grief to a couple of vendors making claims about their products.
It was just too easy and well... it's a Monday so I hope everyone took my post with its intended humor value.

We now return you back to the original rant on distributed file systems.

-Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Arun C Murthy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 2:40 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: kfs and hdfs

Agree with Cos completely.

As Apache Hadoop becomes more successful, we can expect more of these marketing messages from all sorts of vendors on Apache lists.

Of course it's preaching to the choir when it comes to Mike - I've seen him make similar arguments against other vendors on various forums (LI etc.)... so, thanks Mike! :)

Arun

On Oct 10, 2011, at 12:09 PM, Konstantin Boudnik wrote:

> Mike,
>
> I am not speaking for Owen in any way and appreciate your sense of
> humor, but the position he has expressed was (and hopefully remain) a
> stance of these
> lists: they aren't a marketing materials distribution channels. These are dev.
> mailing lists.
>
> Cos
>
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 01:59PM, Segel, Mike wrote:
>> Owen,
>> Are you still a bit touchy over Mike Olson's rebuttal to your blog?
>> :-P <triumph_insult_comic_dog>(I kee-id, I kee-id)
>> </triumph_insult_comic_dog>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Owen O'Malley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 1:14 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: kfs and hdfs
>>
>> Ted,
>>   Please keep the marketing of closed-source insecure filesystems such as MapR (and FAT32 *laugh*) off of the Apache Hadoop lists.
>>
>> -- Owen
>>
The information contained in this communication may be CONFIDENTIAL and is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above.  If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its contents, is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete/destroy the original message and any copy of it from your computer or paper files.

On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Arun C Murthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Agree with Cos completely.

+1. Though our employers may spar on blog posts, as developers we
still get along pretty well for the most part. Let's keep it that way
:)

Back to work.

-Todd
--
Todd Lipcon
Software Engineer, Cloudera