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Chukwa >> mail # dev >> Re: What constitute a successful project?

Dai, Jason 2012-11-29, 13:54
Eric Yang 2012-11-30, 06:39
Jerome Boulon 2012-11-30, 09:04
Alan Cabrera 2012-11-30, 16:05
Eric Yang 2012-11-27, 08:08
Alan Cabrera 2012-11-27, 14:19
Suresh Marru 2012-11-27, 12:36
Benson Margulies 2012-11-27, 13:54
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Re: What constitute a successful project?
Unless there are compelling reason to stop, i.e continuing breaches of
basic ASF polices and principles, then where possible letting a poddling
continue incubation or just graduate seems better to me than making them go
elsewhere. Its not like a small slow problem is chewing up ASF resources,
but i understand not everyone here agrees with my views on that. Wink is an
example of poddling in similar circumstances and there we are about to have
decided that graduation is better than retirement. Perhaps thats a better
approach. I don't recall a graduation recommendation request from the
Incubator has ever been rejected by the board so perhaps the Incubator is
too conservative with graduation recommendations.

Its interesting comparing Wink and Chukwa. From many perspectives Chukwa is
much more active than Wink but we're about to graduate Wink and talking
about retiring this one. I've not yet had a chance to go through all the
Chukwa archives but unless i'm misunderstanding something Chukwa isn't just
a lone coder, there have been several committers in the last months and
while one is doing the majority of the commits many of those are actually
applying patches from other people, so it looks like there are a bunch of
people out there working on the project and we need to find ways of better
integrating them into the poddling community.


On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Benson Margulies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> As chair of the IPMC, I do not think that it is appropriate to have a
> vote to continue incubation for six months, with no consideration of
> success in between. I think that it would be reasonable to put aside
> the vote to retire, and expect a plan, with contributions from more
> than one non-mentor, in the next month, and some progress after that.
> I also think it would be within the mission and discretion of the
> committee to go ahead and vote to retire.
> If it's really true that recently resolved legal muddles have been the
> one barrier to success, then the removal of that barrier should
> unleash some fairly substantial results.
> To address the more philosophical discussion here:
> The incubator is a structure set up to bootstrap communities. It's not
> the only possible structure of this kind, and it's not necessarily the
> best one. Like everything else at a *volunteer* organization, it is
> constrained by the amount of volunteer labor available. In a perfect
> world, yes, the Foundation might operate a sort of
> home-for-small-projects. Such a structure would allow arbitrarily
> small projects to benefit from Foundation infrastructure and legal
> benefits.
> However, this isn't a perfect world, and we are indeed very
> constrained by the volunteer labor, and so we aren't providing a home
> for years on end. There are other ways for this project to succeed
> other than as an Apache TLP. You could find a related, existing,
> project, and merge into them. You could set up shop on github.
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:36 AM, Suresh Marru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:08 AM, Eric Yang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Apache is a non-profit organization.  If we restrict our thinking model
> to
> >> metrics of how many developers, and how many patches are committed in
> >> pre-defeined time limit.  There is no software that is gong to succeed
> in
> >> this evaluation other than commercial software.  Paid developers are
> >> contributing to the software that meeting cooperate interests at rapid
> >> pace, and smaller companies will work together until cooperate interests
> >> tear apart the software, or the funding eventually dry up and the
> software
> >> cease to exist, and the community will eventually fall apart.  Good
> >> software usually comes down to a few individuals who work hard to enable
> >> the community to flourish.  Many of the good software takes decades to
> >> develop from hobby projects.  I will accept the voting result from IPMC,
> >> and I wish IPMC would use better human sense to enable future project to
Alan Cabrera 2012-11-27, 15:32
Eric Yang 2012-11-28, 05:41
Alan Cabrera 2012-11-28, 06:00
Jukka Zitting 2012-11-27, 08:29
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Jukka Zitting 2012-11-26, 20:21
Mattmann, Chris A 2012-11-27, 00:39
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ant elder 2012-11-27, 07:50
Alan Cabrera 2012-11-27, 14:12
Mattmann, Chris A 2012-11-27, 04:52
Alan Cabrera 2012-11-26, 20:53
Jukka Zitting 2012-11-27, 00:25
Alan Cabrera 2012-11-27, 03:25
Eric Yang 2012-11-26, 21:56
Bernd Fondermann 2012-11-26, 22:19
Eric Yang 2012-11-26, 03:33
Alan Cabrera 2012-11-26, 14:54
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