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RE: [Pig Wiki] Update of "FrontPage" by OlgaN
Will it help if Pig provides a "Useful Topics/ Quick Help" link with the most used (useful) links? The home page can point users to the latest release.


-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Stein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:32 PM
To: Olga Natkovich
Subject: Re: [Pig Wiki] Update of "FrontPage" by OlgaN

Hey Olga,

Yes, I saw your post to pig-user, which is why I copied the list (I'm not subscribed, so I couldn't directly respond to that post).

The documents are available, of course, but not linked. Where is the FAQ link? I don't see that on the wiki, nor on the Pig site. So in my opinion, you have removed one of the more useful page (who doesn't like a FAQ?!) in favor of preserving a vendor link. I don't think that is proper.

I also do not see how to *immediately* get to the cookbook (also a handy reference!), nor to the javadocs. For those, I need to click through to the Pig site, *then* to the user document, *then* to the topic that I'd like. You're adding a lot of clicks to the process, and removing a lot of visibility to these other pieces of documentation.
And you're *not* doing that for the vendor information.

Do you see how this causes a problem for me?

The ASF is supposed to help out our users, and is supposed to be vendor neutral. The changes that I've seen here are NOT looking that way. I originally edited the Pig wiki page because it didn't even have the word "Apache" on it. That is *very* troublesome. Pig is an Apache project, and that needs to be obvious. It is not some vendor project, and any particular vendor should not have preferential benefit for any of our projects.


On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 17:19, Olga Natkovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Greg,
> I posted my intent yesterday and explained why we chose to remove the links.
> All the documents you mentioned are available on the site:
> Cookbook: http://hadoop.apache.org/pig/docs/r0.3.0/cookbook.html
> Javadoc: http://hadoop.apache.org/pig/javadoc/docs/api/
> FAQ: http://wiki.apache.org/pig/FAQ
> Olga
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Stein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:59 PM
> To: Olga Natkovich; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Fwd: [Pig Wiki] Update of "FrontPage" by OlgaN
> Okay... I can see why some of this would be "Removing duplicate links
> to the documentation per discussion on the user list." ... but why
> leave that vendor link there? That's already on the Pig home page.
> And some of those links which were removed are *not* on the Pig home
> page, such as the Cookbook and the Javadocs. And the FAQ link was
> dropped.
> And why force people through to another page, instead of helping them
> out here on the wiki?
> I have reservations when lots of helpful links are deleted, yet a
> *vendor* link is the only one to remain.
> -g
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Apache Wiki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 14:11
> Subject: [Pig Wiki] Update of "FrontPage" by OlgaN
> Dear Wiki user,
> You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Pig Wiki" for
> change notification.
> The following page has been changed by OlgaN:
> http://wiki.apache.org/pig/FrontPage
> The comment on the change is:
> Removing duplicate links to the documentation per discussion on the user list.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------
>  == User Documentation =>
> +  * [http://hadoop.apache.org/pig/ User Documentation]
> - http://hadoop.apache.org/pig/
> -
> - (./) Check it out ... updates and new additions.
> -
> -  * New to Pig? Getting Started ...
> -   1. PigOverview - An overview of Pig's capabilities
> -   1. [http://hadoop.apache.org/pig/docs/r0.3.0/getstarted.html Pig
> Quick Start] - How to build and run Pig
> -   1. [http://hadoop.apache.org/pig/docs/r0.3.0/tutorial.html Pig
> Tutorial]- Tackle a real task with pig, start to finish