Accumulo, mail # dev - Re: Contributing Organizations

Re: Contributing Organizations

Dave Marion 2012-12-19, 23:30

+1

Dave Marion
Sent from my Motorola ATRIX™ 4G on AT&T

-----Original message-----
From: Christopher Tubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed, Dec 19, 2012 22:41:07 GMT+00:00
Subject: Contributing Organizations

All-

Many other projects list the organizations where their developers /
contributors are from.
See, for example:

http://zookeeper.apache.org/credits.html
http://hadoop.apache.org/who.html
http://gora.apache.org/credits.html

We can, and probably should, do the same, if this is agreeable to a
sufficient number of us. (If we do this, it should probably be understood
that it is a voluntary extra column on our page, and that it is the
responsibility of committers to add themselves.)

For reference, our current credits page looks like this:
http://accumulo.apache.org/people.html

--
Christopher L Tubbs II
http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii

RE: Contributing Organizations

Dave Marion 2013-01-02, 23:42

I see 3 proponents and 0 opponents of this idea. Can we put it to a vote?

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Marion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 6:30 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Contributing Organizations

+1

Dave Marion
Sent from my Motorola ATRIX™ 4G on AT&T

-----Original message-----
From: Christopher Tubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed, Dec 19, 2012 22:41:07 GMT+00:00
Subject: Contributing Organizations

All-

Many other projects list the organizations where their developers / contributors are from.
See, for example:

http://zookeeper.apache.org/credits.html
http://hadoop.apache.org/who.html
http://gora.apache.org/credits.html

We can, and probably should, do the same, if this is agreeable to a sufficient number of us. (If we do this, it should probably be understood that it is a voluntary extra column on our page, and that it is the responsibility of committers to add themselves.)

For reference, our current credits page looks like this:
http://accumulo.apache.org/people.html

--
Christopher L Tubbs II
http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii

Re: Contributing Organizations

Billie Rinaldi 2013-01-07, 18:07

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Dave Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I see 3 proponents and 0 opponents of this idea. Can we put it to a vote?
>

Since no one has voiced any objections to this, and listing one's
organization will be voluntary, I don't see a need for a vote on this
issue. If anyone disagrees, feel free to speak up.

If there are any contributors who would like their organization listed on
this page (http://accumulo.apache.org/people.html), email me or another
committer and we'll add it for you.

Billie

>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Marion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 6:30 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Contributing Organizations
>
> +1
>
> Dave Marion
>
>
> Sent from my Motorola ATRIX™ 4G on AT&T
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: Christopher Tubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wed, Dec 19, 2012 22:41:07 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Contributing Organizations
>
> All-
>
> Many other projects list the organizations where their developers /
> contributors are from.
> See, for example:
>
> http://zookeeper.apache.org/credits.html
> http://hadoop.apache.org/who.html
> http://gora.apache.org/credits.html
>
> We can, and probably should, do the same, if this is agreeable to a
> sufficient number of us. (If we do this, it should probably be understood
> that it is a voluntary extra column on our page, and that it is the
> responsibility of committers to add themselves.)
>
> For reference, our current credits page looks like this:
> http://accumulo.apache.org/people.html
>
> --
> Christopher L Tubbs II
> http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii
>
>
>

Re: Contributing Organizations

Christopher 2013-01-08, 20:05

Cold weather illnesses and holidays being what they are, I apologize for my
lack of attention to this issue.

I agree with Billie, that we don't really need a vote for voluntary
information. I've also been somewhat reluctant to take action on this
issue, due to the fact that I dislike doing web design, and I fear if I
were the one to implement this, I would end up lowering the quality of our
front-facing web interfaces. If somebody wants to volunteer a better page
design, with the included information, I'd welcome it as a patch
for ACCUMULO-946 (link https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ACCUMULO-946),
or if you are a committer, you can resolve it yourself.

--
Christopher L Tubbs II
http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Billie Rinaldi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Dave Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I see 3 proponents and 0 opponents of this idea. Can we put it to a vote?
> >
>
> Since no one has voiced any objections to this, and listing one's
> organization will be voluntary, I don't see a need for a vote on this
> issue. If anyone disagrees, feel free to speak up.
>
> If there are any contributors who would like their organization listed on
> this page (http://accumulo.apache.org/people.html), email me or another
> committer and we'll add it for you.
>
> Billie
>
>
>
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dave Marion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 6:30 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Contributing Organizations
> >
> > +1
> >
> > Dave Marion
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Motorola ATRIX™ 4G on AT&T
> >
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: Christopher Tubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wed, Dec 19, 2012 22:41:07 GMT+00:00
> > Subject: Contributing Organizations
> >
> > All-
> >
> > Many other projects list the organizations where their developers /
> > contributors are from.
> > See, for example:
> >
> > http://zookeeper.apache.org/credits.html
> > http://hadoop.apache.org/who.html
> > http://gora.apache.org/credits.html
> >
> > We can, and probably should, do the same, if this is agreeable to a
> > sufficient number of us. (If we do this, it should probably be understood
> > that it is a voluntary extra column on our page, and that it is the
> > responsibility of committers to add themselves.)
> >
> > For reference, our current credits page looks like this:
> > http://accumulo.apache.org/people.html
> >
> > --
> > Christopher L Tubbs II
> > http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: Contributing Organizations

John Vines 2013-01-08, 20:21

I like the style bigtop has. Tables are a bit ugly, lets just give each
person a line.

On a similar note, I would like to see either segregating the committers
and contributors or dropping them off the page completely. Not for hate,
but as more and more people adopt and contribute back, it will just turn
into a fairly noisy list. I'll probably catch flack for the latter thought
though.
On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Christopher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Cold weather illnesses and holidays being what they are, I apologize for my
> lack of attention to this issue.
>
> I agree with Billie, that we don't really need a vote for voluntary
> information. I've also been somewhat reluctant to take action on this
> issue, due to the fact that I dislike doing web design, and I fear if I
> were the one to implement this, I would end up lowering the quality of our
> front-facing web interfaces. If somebody wants to volunteer a better page
> design, with the included information, I'd welcome it as a patch
> for ACCUMULO-946 (link https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ACCUMULO-946
> ),
> or if you are a committer, you can resolve it yourself.
>
> --
> Christopher L Tubbs II
> http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Billie Rinaldi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Dave Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I see 3 proponents and 0 opponents of this idea. Can we put it to a
> vote?
> > >
> >
> > Since no one has voiced any objections to this, and listing one's
> > organization will be voluntary, I don't see a need for a vote on this
> > issue. If anyone disagrees, feel free to speak up.
> >
> > If there are any contributors who would like their organization listed on
> > this page (http://accumulo.apache.org/people.html), email me or another
> > committer and we'll add it for you.
> >
> > Billie
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dave Marion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 6:30 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: Contributing Organizations
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > Dave Marion
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my Motorola ATRIX™ 4G on AT&T
> > >
> > > -----Original message-----
> > > From: Christopher Tubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Wed, Dec 19, 2012 22:41:07 GMT+00:00
> > > Subject: Contributing Organizations
> > >
> > > All-
> > >
> > > Many other projects list the organizations where their developers /
> > > contributors are from.
> > > See, for example:
> > >
> > > http://zookeeper.apache.org/credits.html
> > > http://hadoop.apache.org/who.html
> > > http://gora.apache.org/credits.html
> > >
> > > We can, and probably should, do the same, if this is agreeable to a
> > > sufficient number of us. (If we do this, it should probably be
> understood
> > > that it is a voluntary extra column on our page, and that it is the
> > > responsibility of committers to add themselves.)
> > >
> > > For reference, our current credits page looks like this:
> > > http://accumulo.apache.org/people.html
> > >
> > > --
> > > Christopher L Tubbs II
> > > http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

--
Cheers
~John

Re: Contributing Organizations

Billie Rinaldi 2013-01-08, 20:37

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 12:21 PM, John Vines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I like the style bigtop has. Tables are a bit ugly, lets just give each
> person a line.
>

It's still a table, but a pretty one. We could use their css.
>
> On a similar note, I would like to see either segregating the committers
> and contributors or dropping them off the page completely. Not for hate,
> but as more and more people adopt and contribute back, it will just turn
> into a fairly noisy list. I'll probably catch flack for the latter thought
> though.
>

Since JIRA no longer has a contributor report, there is no other way to see
the contributors unless you have administrative access to our JIRA.

Billie

>
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Christopher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Cold weather illnesses and holidays being what they are, I apologize for
> my
> > lack of attention to this issue.
> >
> > I agree with Billie, that we don't really need a vote for voluntary
> > information. I've also been somewhat reluctant to take action on this
> > issue, due to the fact that I dislike doing web design, and I fear if I
> > were the one to implement this, I would end up lowering the quality of
> our
> > front-facing web interfaces. If somebody wants to volunteer a better page
> > design, with the included information, I'd welcome it as a patch
> > for ACCUMULO-946 (link
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ACCUMULO-946
> > ),
> > or if you are a committer, you can resolve it yourself.
> >
> > --
> > Christopher L Tubbs II
> > http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Billie Rinaldi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Dave Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I see 3 proponents and 0 opponents of this idea. Can we put it to a
> > vote?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Since no one has voiced any objections to this, and listing one's
> > > organization will be voluntary, I don't see a need for a vote on this
> > > issue. If anyone disagrees, feel free to speak up.
> > >
> > > If there are any contributors who would like their organization listed
> on
> > > this page (http://accumulo.apache.org/people.html), email me or
> another
> > > committer and we'll add it for you.
> > >
> > > Billie
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Dave Marion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 6:30 PM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: Contributing Organizations
> > > >
> > > > +1
> > > >
> > > > Dave Marion
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my Motorola ATRIX™ 4G on AT&T
> > > >
> > > > -----Original message-----
> > > > From: Christopher Tubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Wed, Dec 19, 2012 22:41:07 GMT+00:00
> > > > Subject: Contributing Organizations
> > > >
> > > > All-
> > > >
> > > > Many other projects list the organizations where their developers /
> > > > contributors are from.
> > > > See, for example:
> > > >
> > > > http://zookeeper.apache.org/credits.html
> > > > http://hadoop.apache.org/who.html
> > > > http://gora.apache.org/credits.html
> > > >
> > > > We can, and probably should, do the same, if this is agreeable to a
> > > > sufficient number of us. (If we do this, it should probably be
> > understood
> > > > that it is a voluntary extra column on our page, and that it is the
> > > > responsibility of committers to add themselves.)
> > > >
> > > > For reference, our current credits page looks like this:
> > > > http://accumulo.apache.org/people.html
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Christopher L Tubbs II
> > > > http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers
> ~John
>

Re: Contributing Organizations

Christopher Tubbs 2013-01-08, 22:16

I closed the ticket I opened to do this, as I hadn't realized that it had
already been started.
--
Christopher L Tubbs II
http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii
On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Billie Rinaldi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 12:21 PM, John Vines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I like the style bigtop has. Tables are a bit ugly, lets just give each
> > person a line.
> >
>
> It's still a table, but a pretty one. We could use their css.
>
>
> >
> > On a similar note, I would like to see either segregating the committers
> > and contributors or dropping them off the page completely. Not for hate,
> > but as more and more people adopt and contribute back, it will just turn
> > into a fairly noisy list. I'll probably catch flack for the latter
> thought
> > though.
> >
>
> Since JIRA no longer has a contributor report, there is no other way to see
> the contributors unless you have administrative access to our JIRA.
>
> Billie
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Christopher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Cold weather illnesses and holidays being what they are, I apologize
> for
> > my
> > > lack of attention to this issue.
> > >
> > > I agree with Billie, that we don't really need a vote for voluntary
> > > information. I've also been somewhat reluctant to take action on this
> > > issue, due to the fact that I dislike doing web design, and I fear if I
> > > were the one to implement this, I would end up lowering the quality of
> > our
> > > front-facing web interfaces. If somebody wants to volunteer a better
> page
> > > design, with the included information, I'd welcome it as a patch
> > > for ACCUMULO-946 (link
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ACCUMULO-946
> > > ),
> > > or if you are a committer, you can resolve it yourself.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Christopher L Tubbs II
> > > http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Billie Rinaldi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Dave Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I see 3 proponents and 0 opponents of this idea. Can we put it to a
> > > vote?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Since no one has voiced any objections to this, and listing one's
> > > > organization will be voluntary, I don't see a need for a vote on this
> > > > issue. If anyone disagrees, feel free to speak up.
> > > >
> > > > If there are any contributors who would like their organization
> listed
> > on
> > > > this page (http://accumulo.apache.org/people.html), email me or
> > another
> > > > committer and we'll add it for you.
> > > >
> > > > Billie
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Dave Marion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 6:30 PM
> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Subject: Re: Contributing Organizations
> > > > >
> > > > > +1
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave Marion
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent from my Motorola ATRIX™ 4G on AT&T
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original message-----
> > > > > From: Christopher Tubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Sent: Wed, Dec 19, 2012 22:41:07 GMT+00:00
> > > > > Subject: Contributing Organizations
> > > > >
> > > > > All-
> > > > >
> > > > > Many other projects list the organizations where their developers /
> > > > > contributors are from.
> > > > > See, for example:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://zookeeper.apache.org/credits.html
> > > > > http://hadoop.apache.org/who.html
> > > > > http://gora.apache.org/credits.html
> > > > >
> > > > > We can, and probably should, do the same, if this is agreeable to a
> > > > > sufficient number of us. (If we do this, it should probably be
> > > understood
> > > > > that it is a voluntary extra column on our page, and that it is the
> > > > > responsibility of committers to add themselves.)
> > > > >
> > > > > For reference, our current credits page looks like this:

Re: Contributing Organizations

dlmarion@... 2013-01-08, 20:26

I'm ok with having two tables, one for committers and one for contributors.

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vines" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Accumulo Dev List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 3:21:06 PM
Subject: Re: Contributing Organizations

I like the style bigtop has. Tables are a bit ugly, lets just give each
person a line.

On a similar note, I would like to see either segregating the committers
and contributors or dropping them off the page completely. Not for hate,
but as more and more people adopt and contribute back, it will just turn
into a fairly noisy list. I'll probably catch flack for the latter thought
though.
On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Christopher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Cold weather illnesses and holidays being what they are, I apologize for my
> lack of attention to this issue.
>
> I agree with Billie, that we don't really need a vote for voluntary
> information. I've also been somewhat reluctant to take action on this
> issue, due to the fact that I dislike doing web design, and I fear if I
> were the one to implement this, I would end up lowering the quality of our
> front-facing web interfaces. If somebody wants to volunteer a better page
> design, with the included information, I'd welcome it as a patch
> for ACCUMULO-946 (link https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ACCUMULO-946
> ),
> or if you are a committer, you can resolve it yourself.
>
> --
> Christopher L Tubbs II
> http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Billie Rinaldi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Dave Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I see 3 proponents and 0 opponents of this idea. Can we put it to a
> vote?
> > >
> >
> > Since no one has voiced any objections to this, and listing one's
> > organization will be voluntary, I don't see a need for a vote on this
> > issue. If anyone disagrees, feel free to speak up.
> >
> > If there are any contributors who would like their organization listed on
> > this page (http://accumulo.apache.org/people.html), email me or another
> > committer and we'll add it for you.
> >
> > Billie
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dave Marion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 6:30 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: Contributing Organizations
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > Dave Marion
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my Motorola ATRIX™ 4G on AT&T
> > >
> > > -----Original message-----
> > > From: Christopher Tubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Wed, Dec 19, 2012 22:41:07 GMT+00:00
> > > Subject: Contributing Organizations
> > >
> > > All-
> > >
> > > Many other projects list the organizations where their developers /
> > > contributors are from.
> > > See, for example:
> > >
> > > http://zookeeper.apache.org/credits.html
> > > http://hadoop.apache.org/who.html
> > > http://gora.apache.org/credits.html
> > >
> > > We can, and probably should, do the same, if this is agreeable to a
> > > sufficient number of us. (If we do this, it should probably be
> understood
> > > that it is a voluntary extra column on our page, and that it is the
> > > responsibility of committers to add themselves.)
> > >
> > > For reference, our current credits page looks like this:
> > > http://accumulo.apache.org/people.html
> > >
> > > --
> > > Christopher L Tubbs II
> > > http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

--
Cheers
~John

Re: Contributing Organizations

Keith Turner 2013-01-08, 20:32

I can split them out. I will add a timezone column too.

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:26 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm ok with having two tables, one for committers and one for contributors.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Vines" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Accumulo Dev List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 3:21:06 PM
> Subject: Re: Contributing Organizations
>
> I like the style bigtop has. Tables are a bit ugly, lets just give each
> person a line.
>
> On a similar note, I would like to see either segregating the committers
> and contributors or dropping them off the page completely. Not for hate,
> but as more and more people adopt and contribute back, it will just turn
> into a fairly noisy list. I'll probably catch flack for the latter thought
> though.
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Christopher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Cold weather illnesses and holidays being what they are, I apologize for my
>> lack of attention to this issue.
>>
>> I agree with Billie, that we don't really need a vote for voluntary
>> information. I've also been somewhat reluctant to take action on this
>> issue, due to the fact that I dislike doing web design, and I fear if I
>> were the one to implement this, I would end up lowering the quality of our
>> front-facing web interfaces. If somebody wants to volunteer a better page
>> design, with the included information, I'd welcome it as a patch
>> for ACCUMULO-946 (link https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ACCUMULO-946
>> ),
>> or if you are a committer, you can resolve it yourself.
>>
>> --
>> Christopher L Tubbs II
>> http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Billie Rinaldi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Dave Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I see 3 proponents and 0 opponents of this idea. Can we put it to a
>> vote?
>> > >
>> >
>> > Since no one has voiced any objections to this, and listing one's
>> > organization will be voluntary, I don't see a need for a vote on this
>> > issue. If anyone disagrees, feel free to speak up.
>> >
>> > If there are any contributors who would like their organization listed on
>> > this page (http://accumulo.apache.org/people.html), email me or another
>> > committer and we'll add it for you.
>> >
>> > Billie
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Dave
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Dave Marion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 6:30 PM
>> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > > Subject: Re: Contributing Organizations
>> > >
>> > > +1
>> > >
>> > > Dave Marion
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Sent from my Motorola ATRIX™ 4G on AT&T
>> > >
>> > > -----Original message-----
>> > > From: Christopher Tubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > > Sent: Wed, Dec 19, 2012 22:41:07 GMT+00:00
>> > > Subject: Contributing Organizations
>> > >
>> > > All-
>> > >
>> > > Many other projects list the organizations where their developers /
>> > > contributors are from.
>> > > See, for example:
>> > >
>> > > http://zookeeper.apache.org/credits.html
>> > > http://hadoop.apache.org/who.html
>> > > http://gora.apache.org/credits.html
>> > >
>> > > We can, and probably should, do the same, if this is agreeable to a
>> > > sufficient number of us. (If we do this, it should probably be
>> understood
>> > > that it is a voluntary extra column on our page, and that it is the
>> > > responsibility of committers to add themselves.)
>> > >
>> > > For reference, our current credits page looks like this:
>> > > http://accumulo.apache.org/people.html
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Christopher L Tubbs II
>> > > http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers
> ~John

Re: Contributing Organizations

John Vines 2013-01-08, 20:35

Like the timezones idea, good call
On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Keith Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I can split them out. I will add a timezone column too.
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:26 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm ok with having two tables, one for committers and one for
> contributors.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Vines" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Accumulo Dev List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 3:21:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: Contributing Organizations
> >
> > I like the style bigtop has. Tables are a bit ugly, lets just give each
> > person a line.
> >
> > On a similar note, I would like to see either segregating the committers
> > and contributors or dropping them off the page completely. Not for hate,
> > but as more and more people adopt and contribute back, it will just turn
> > into a fairly noisy list. I'll probably catch flack for the latter
> thought
> > though.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Christopher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Cold weather illnesses and holidays being what they are, I apologize
> for my
> >> lack of attention to this issue.
> >>
> >> I agree with Billie, that we don't really need a vote for voluntary
> >> information. I've also been somewhat reluctant to take action on this
> >> issue, due to the fact that I dislike doing web design, and I fear if I
> >> were the one to implement this, I would end up lowering the quality of
> our
> >> front-facing web interfaces. If somebody wants to volunteer a better
> page
> >> design, with the included information, I'd welcome it as a patch
> >> for ACCUMULO-946 (link
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ACCUMULO-946
> >> ),
> >> or if you are a committer, you can resolve it yourself.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Christopher L Tubbs II
> >> http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Billie Rinaldi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Dave Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > I see 3 proponents and 0 opponents of this idea. Can we put it to a
> >> vote?
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > Since no one has voiced any objections to this, and listing one's
> >> > organization will be voluntary, I don't see a need for a vote on this
> >> > issue. If anyone disagrees, feel free to speak up.
> >> >
> >> > If there are any contributors who would like their organization
> listed on
> >> > this page (http://accumulo.apache.org/people.html), email me or
> another
> >> > committer and we'll add it for you.
> >> >
> >> > Billie
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > Dave
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: Dave Marion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 6:30 PM
> >> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > Subject: Re: Contributing Organizations
> >> > >
> >> > > +1
> >> > >
> >> > > Dave Marion
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Sent from my Motorola ATRIX™ 4G on AT&T
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original message-----
> >> > > From: Christopher Tubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > Sent: Wed, Dec 19, 2012 22:41:07 GMT+00:00
> >> > > Subject: Contributing Organizations
> >> > >
> >> > > All-
> >> > >
> >> > > Many other projects list the organizations where their developers /
> >> > > contributors are from.
> >> > > See, for example:
> >> > >
> >> > > http://zookeeper.apache.org/credits.html
> >> > > http://hadoop.apache.org/who.html
> >> > > http://gora.apache.org/credits.html
> >> > >
> >> > > We can, and probably should, do the same, if this is agreeable to a
> >> > > sufficient number of us. (If we do this, it should probably be
> >> understood
> >> > > that it is a voluntary extra column on our page, and that it is the
> >> > > responsibility of committers to add themselves.)
> >> > >
> >> > > For reference, our current credits page looks like this:
> >> > > http://accumulo.apache.org/people.html
> >> > >
> >> >

Re: Contributing Organizations

Billie Rinaldi 2013-01-10, 16:34

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Keith Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I can split them out. I will add a timezone column too.
>

Let's revisit this timezone thing. 1) Is anyone not in EST? 2) If we
write -5, it will be wrong during daylight savings time. I doubt anyone
will remember to switch them all twice a year. So, if we must put them,
I'd be in favor of using the "ET" abbreviation. Or we could just note at
the top that everyone is -5 / -4 / ET unless otherwise specified.

Billie

>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:26 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm ok with having two tables, one for committers and one for
> contributors.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Vines" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Accumulo Dev List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 3:21:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: Contributing Organizations
> >
> > I like the style bigtop has. Tables are a bit ugly, lets just give each
> > person a line.
> >
> > On a similar note, I would like to see either segregating the committers
> > and contributors or dropping them off the page completely. Not for hate,
> > but as more and more people adopt and contribute back, it will just turn
> > into a fairly noisy list. I'll probably catch flack for the latter
> thought
> > though.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Christopher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Cold weather illnesses and holidays being what they are, I apologize
> for my
> >> lack of attention to this issue.
> >>
> >> I agree with Billie, that we don't really need a vote for voluntary
> >> information. I've also been somewhat reluctant to take action on this
> >> issue, due to the fact that I dislike doing web design, and I fear if I
> >> were the one to implement this, I would end up lowering the quality of
> our
> >> front-facing web interfaces. If somebody wants to volunteer a better
> page
> >> design, with the included information, I'd welcome it as a patch
> >> for ACCUMULO-946 (link
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ACCUMULO-946
> >> ),
> >> or if you are a committer, you can resolve it yourself.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Christopher L Tubbs II
> >> http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Billie Rinaldi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Dave Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > I see 3 proponents and 0 opponents of this idea. Can we put it to a
> >> vote?
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > Since no one has voiced any objections to this, and listing one's
> >> > organization will be voluntary, I don't see a need for a vote on this
> >> > issue. If anyone disagrees, feel free to speak up.
> >> >
> >> > If there are any contributors who would like their organization
> listed on
> >> > this page (http://accumulo.apache.org/people.html), email me or
> another
> >> > committer and we'll add it for you.
> >> >
> >> > Billie
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > Dave
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: Dave Marion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 6:30 PM
> >> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > Subject: Re: Contributing Organizations
> >> > >
> >> > > +1
> >> > >
> >> > > Dave Marion
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Sent from my Motorola ATRIX™ 4G on AT&T
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original message-----
> >> > > From: Christopher Tubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > Sent: Wed, Dec 19, 2012 22:41:07 GMT+00:00
> >> > > Subject: Contributing Organizations
> >> > >
> >> > > All-
> >> > >
> >> > > Many other projects list the organizations where their developers /
> >> > > contributors are from.
> >> > > See, for example:
> >> > >
> >> > > http://zookeeper.apache.org/credits.html
> >> > > http://hadoop.apache.org/who.html
> >> > > http://gora.apache.org/credits.html
> >> > >
> >> > > We can, and probably should, do the same, if this is agreeable to a
> >> > > sufficient number of us. (If we do this, it should probably be

Re: Contributing Organizations

Keith Turner 2013-01-10, 16:42

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Billie Rinaldi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Keith Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I can split them out. I will add a timezone column too.
>>
>
> Let's revisit this timezone thing. 1) Is anyone not in EST? 2) If we
I like blank meaning unspecified rather than defaulting everyone to
something unless specified.

> write -5, it will be wrong during daylight savings time. I doubt anyone
> will remember to switch them all twice a year. So, if we must put them,
> I'd be in favor of using the "ET" abbreviation. Or we could just note at
> the top that everyone is -5 / -4 / ET unless otherwise specified.

Let people put whatever they like in that field. If I set a bad
precedent, forgive me :) If you set a better precedent with what you
put there, I suspect people might follow. If you update yourself w/
something more reasonable for east coast + daylight savings time, then
update me too.

>
> Billie
>
>
>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:26 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > I'm ok with having two tables, one for committers and one for
>> contributors.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "John Vines" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: "Accumulo Dev List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 3:21:06 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Contributing Organizations
>> >
>> > I like the style bigtop has. Tables are a bit ugly, lets just give each
>> > person a line.
>> >
>> > On a similar note, I would like to see either segregating the committers
>> > and contributors or dropping them off the page completely. Not for hate,
>> > but as more and more people adopt and contribute back, it will just turn
>> > into a fairly noisy list. I'll probably catch flack for the latter
>> thought
>> > though.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Christopher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Cold weather illnesses and holidays being what they are, I apologize
>> for my
>> >> lack of attention to this issue.
>> >>
>> >> I agree with Billie, that we don't really need a vote for voluntary
>> >> information. I've also been somewhat reluctant to take action on this
>> >> issue, due to the fact that I dislike doing web design, and I fear if I
>> >> were the one to implement this, I would end up lowering the quality of
>> our
>> >> front-facing web interfaces. If somebody wants to volunteer a better
>> page
>> >> design, with the included information, I'd welcome it as a patch
>> >> for ACCUMULO-946 (link
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ACCUMULO-946
>> >> ),
>> >> or if you are a committer, you can resolve it yourself.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Christopher L Tubbs II
>> >> http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Billie Rinaldi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Dave Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > I see 3 proponents and 0 opponents of this idea. Can we put it to a
>> >> vote?
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> > Since no one has voiced any objections to this, and listing one's
>> >> > organization will be voluntary, I don't see a need for a vote on this
>> >> > issue. If anyone disagrees, feel free to speak up.
>> >> >
>> >> > If there are any contributors who would like their organization
>> listed on
>> >> > this page (http://accumulo.apache.org/people.html), email me or
>> another
>> >> > committer and we'll add it for you.
>> >> >
>> >> > Billie
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Dave
>> >> > >
>> >> > > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > > From: Dave Marion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 6:30 PM
>> >> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> > > Subject: Re: Contributing Organizations
>> >> > >
>> >> > > +1
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Dave Marion
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Sent from my Motorola ATRIX™ 4G on AT&T
>> >> > >
>> >> > > -----Original message-----
>> >> > > From: Christopher Tubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Contributing Organizations

Billie Rinaldi 2013-01-10, 19:20

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Keith Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Billie Rinaldi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Keith Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> I can split them out. I will add a timezone column too.
> >>
> >
> > Let's revisit this timezone thing. 1) Is anyone not in EST? 2) If we
> I like blank meaning unspecified rather than defaulting everyone to
> something unless specified.
>
> > write -5, it will be wrong during daylight savings time. I doubt anyone
> > will remember to switch them all twice a year. So, if we must put them,
> > I'd be in favor of using the "ET" abbreviation. Or we could just note at
> > the top that everyone is -5 / -4 / ET unless otherwise specified.
>
> Let people put whatever they like in that field. If I set a bad
> precedent, forgive me :) If you set a better precedent with what you
> put there, I suspect people might follow. If you update yourself w/
> something more reasonable for east coast + daylight savings time, then
> update me too.
>

Sounds good. I might switch all the current -5s to ET to establish a
precedent, but people can feel free to change it to whatever they want.
Actually I'd like to use something fancier like a web service where you
specify your region and it tells you the current time (
http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/simpletime.html) but it's probably not worth
spending time on. :-)

Billie

>
> >
> > Billie
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:26 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > I'm ok with having two tables, one for committers and one for
> >> contributors.
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "John Vines" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > To: "Accumulo Dev List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 3:21:06 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: Contributing Organizations
> >> >
> >> > I like the style bigtop has. Tables are a bit ugly, lets just give
> each
> >> > person a line.
> >> >
> >> > On a similar note, I would like to see either segregating the
> committers
> >> > and contributors or dropping them off the page completely. Not for
> hate,
> >> > but as more and more people adopt and contribute back, it will just
> turn
> >> > into a fairly noisy list. I'll probably catch flack for the latter
> >> thought
> >> > though.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Christopher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Cold weather illnesses and holidays being what they are, I apologize
> >> for my
> >> >> lack of attention to this issue.
> >> >>
> >> >> I agree with Billie, that we don't really need a vote for voluntary
> >> >> information. I've also been somewhat reluctant to take action on this
> >> >> issue, due to the fact that I dislike doing web design, and I fear
> if I
> >> >> were the one to implement this, I would end up lowering the quality
> of
> >> our
> >> >> front-facing web interfaces. If somebody wants to volunteer a better
> >> page
> >> >> design, with the included information, I'd welcome it as a patch
> >> >> for ACCUMULO-946 (link
> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ACCUMULO-946
> >> >> ),
> >> >> or if you are a committer, you can resolve it yourself.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Christopher L Tubbs II
> >> >> http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Billie Rinaldi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Dave Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > I see 3 proponents and 0 opponents of this idea. Can we put it
> to a
> >> >> vote?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Since no one has voiced any objections to this, and listing one's
> >> >> > organization will be voluntary, I don't see a need for a vote on
> this
> >> >> > issue. If anyone disagrees, feel free to speak up.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > If there are any contributors who would like their organization
> >> listed on
> >> >> > this page (http://accumulo.apache.org/people.html), email me or

Re: Contributing Organizations

William Slacum 2013-01-03, 16:23

I support it and a PMC vote.

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Dave Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I see 3 proponents and 0 opponents of this idea. Can we put it to a vote?
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Marion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 6:30 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Contributing Organizations
>
> +1
>
> Dave Marion
>
>
> Sent from my Motorola ATRIX™ 4G on AT&T
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: Christopher Tubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wed, Dec 19, 2012 22:41:07 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Contributing Organizations
>
> All-
>
> Many other projects list the organizations where their developers /
> contributors are from.
> See, for example:
>
> http://zookeeper.apache.org/credits.html
> http://hadoop.apache.org/who.html
> http://gora.apache.org/credits.html
>
> We can, and probably should, do the same, if this is agreeable to a
> sufficient number of us. (If we do this, it should probably be understood
> that it is a voluntary extra column on our page, and that it is the
> responsibility of committers to add themselves.)
>
> For reference, our current credits page looks like this:
> http://accumulo.apache.org/people.html
>
> --
> Christopher L Tubbs II
> http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii
>
>
>

Re: Contributing Organizations

Josh Elser 2013-01-03, 16:56

I support it and a PMC vote.

On 1/3/13 11:23 AM, William Slacum wrote:
> I support it and a PMC vote.
>
> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Dave Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I see 3 proponents and 0 opponents of this idea. Can we put it to a vote?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Marion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 6:30 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: Contributing Organizations
>>
>> +1
>>
>> Dave Marion
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Motorola ATRIXï¿½ 4G on AT&T
>>
>> -----Original message-----
>> From: Christopher Tubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Wed, Dec 19, 2012 22:41:07 GMT+00:00
>> Subject: Contributing Organizations
>>
>> All-
>>
>> Many other projects list the organizations where their developers /
>> contributors are from.
>> See, for example:
>>
>> http://zookeeper.apache.org/credits.html
>> http://hadoop.apache.org/who.html
>> http://gora.apache.org/credits.html
>>
>> We can, and probably should, do the same, if this is agreeable to a
>> sufficient number of us. (If we do this, it should probably be understood
>> that it is a voluntary extra column on our page, and that it is the
>> responsibility of committers to add themselves.)
>>
>> For reference, our current credits page looks like this:
>> http://accumulo.apache.org/people.html
>>
>> --
>> Christopher L Tubbs II
>> http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii
>>
>>
>>

Re: Contributing Organizations

Jason Trost 2012-12-20, 03:36

+1

--Jason

sent from my DROID
On Dec 19, 2012 6:30 PM, "Dave Marion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> +1
>
> Dave Marion
>
>
> Sent from my Motorola ATRIX™ 4G on AT&T
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: Christopher Tubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wed, Dec 19, 2012 22:41:07 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Contributing Organizations
>
> All-
>
> Many other projects list the organizations where their developers /
> contributors are from.
> See, for example:
>
> http://zookeeper.apache.org/credits.html
> http://hadoop.apache.org/who.html
> http://gora.apache.org/credits.html
>
> We can, and probably should, do the same, if this is agreeable to a
> sufficient number of us. (If we do this, it should probably be understood
> that it is a voluntary extra column on our page, and that it is the
> responsibility of committers to add themselves.)
>
> For reference, our current credits page looks like this:
> http://accumulo.apache.org/people.html
>
> --
> Christopher L Tubbs II
> http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii
>
>

Re: Contributing Organizations

John Vines 2012-12-19, 22:43

+1
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Christopher Tubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> All-
>
> Many other projects list the organizations where their developers /
> contributors are from.
> See, for example:
>
> http://zookeeper.apache.org/credits.html
> http://hadoop.apache.org/who.html
> http://gora.apache.org/credits.html
>
> We can, and probably should, do the same, if this is agreeable to a
> sufficient number of us. (If we do this, it should probably be understood
> that it is a voluntary extra column on our page, and that it is the
> responsibility of committers to add themselves.)
>
> For reference, our current credits page looks like this:
> http://accumulo.apache.org/people.html
>
> --
> Christopher L Tubbs II
> http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii
>

--
Cheers
~John