-Re: Thoughts on using Ant+Ivy for the build?
David Arthur 2013-04-08, 20:31
Targeting multiple Scala versions is easy with Ant/Ivy and I believe is
possible in Maven. Incremental compilation is available through some IDEs:
Eclipse has a plugin from Typesafe that does incremental build:
Intellij supports it by using SBT:
Lowly vim users like myself would have to suffer longer compile times
On 4/8/13 4:20 PM, Jay Kreps wrote:
> I think the biggest problem is that there isn't clear ownership of the
> build stuff we have. SBT is probably fine if you know it well. Ant and
> maven are probably the same. The problem is that none of the
> committers seem to know SBT well that that is a big barrier for
> getting basic stuff like a good unit test report, etc.
> My personal preference would be for Maven followed by Ant followed by
> anything else (including SBT), but I think the ownership maintenance
> issue is more important than the framework.
> The two useful things that SBT bought us where compile targets (i.e.
> scala 2.8 vs 2.9) and incremental compilation. I think both are
> available outside sbt now...?
> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 12:52 PM, David Arthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Ant and Ivy also bring in lots of free stuff as well as the flexibility to
>> do non-standard things
>> It seems that SBT is a moving target (as is Scala itself, being such a new
>> tech), and keeping up with SBT changes and people's plugins hosted on GitHub
>> sounds like a pain. Maven and Ant/Ivy are mature and stable and well
>> Without digressing too much into a Maven/Ant+Ivy/SBT debate, it is clear
>> that there are issues with the current build. I'm proposing Ant+Ivy, if
>> enough people buy into this - great we'll use Ant. If not, also great - I'm
>> simply forcing the dialog :)
>> Also, if what I'm proposing is accepted, I would be willing to maintain this
>> piece of the project in the longer term.
>> On 4/8/13 3:40 PM, Scott Carey wrote:
>>> My first reaction to looking at the current build was that I could do a
>>> lot better with Maven and I'd get a lot of free stuff with that
>>> (dependency:tree, versions:display-dependency-updates), except that cross
>>> scala versions would be uglier. Modularization is trivial with maven (the
>>> stuff outside core).
>>> A little more digging, and it seems that the current sbt build could be
>>> significantly simplified and has a lot of cruft.
>>> On 4/5/13 12:55 PM, "David Arthur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> After getting frustrated with SBT, and being unable to figure out
>>>> seemingly simple problems like KAFKA-843, I decided to try something
>>>> completely different.
>>>> I spent some time yesterday adapting some Ant/Ivy boilerplate I use for
>>>> projects to Kafka. It was actually pretty easy to get working (Kafka is
>>>> a very simple build), and I think it's _much_ cleaner than the existing
>>>> SBT stuff.
>>>> Attached is a patchset of the work I did. N.B., this is totally
>>>> experimental and only considers the "core" part of the project.
>>>> At this point I can:
>>>> * Resolve all deps through Ivy (except yammer.metrics which is checked
>>>> * Resolve different versions of Scala through Ivy (i.e., cross
>>>> * Compile the source
>>>> * Run all the unit tests (all passing)
>>>> * Compile a jar
>>>> * Package a tarball of the libs, conf, and bin scripts
>>>> Since all the libraries are localized to the project (and not in
>>>> ~/.ivy2), the packaging is trivial. Also, the bin scripts could be
>>>> cleaned up significantly (which they need to be IMO).
>>>> I would love to hear what everyone thinks of this. Am I crazy? Is SBT
>>>> really better? Convince me!