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Re: interesting paper on log replication
Jun Rao 2013-04-17, 01:13
On the last point, in general, Kafka logs are identical among replicas. The
only case that they may not be identical is when an unclean leader election
happens, i.e., a leader has to be elected from a replica not in in-sync
replica set). Unclean leader election should be rare since this requires
multiple broker failures around the same time.

Thanks,

Jun
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Neha Narkhede <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> More notable differences from Kafka as far as log replication protocol
> is concerned -
>
> - Raft considers log entries as committed as soon as it is
> acknowledged by a majority of the servers in a cluster. Compare this
> to Kafka where we have the notion of "in-sync followers" that are
> required to ack every batch of log entries in order for the leader to
> commit those.
>
> - Raft uses the election voting mechanism to select a new  leader
> whose log is as “up-to-date” as possible. Compare this to Kafka where
> we can pick ANY of the "in-sync followers" as the next leader, we
> typically pick the first one in the list. We do not try to pick the
> "in-sync follower" with the largest log for simplicity and fewer RPCs.
>
> - In Raft, when the follower's log diverts from the leader's (in the
> presence of multiple failures), the leader-follower RPC truncates the
> follower's log up to the diversion point and then replicate the rest
> of the leader's log. This ensures that follower's log is identical to
> that of the leader's in such situations. Compare this to Kafka, where
> we allow the logs to divert and don't reconcile perfectly.
>
> Thanks,
> Neha
>
> On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 9:42 PM, Jun Rao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thanks for the link. This paper provides an alternative, but similar
> > implementation to that in Zookeeper. The key difference seems to be that
> > the former supports membership reconfiguration.
> >
> > Kafka replication is simpler because it separates the leader election
> part
> > from log replication. Such separation has a few benefits: (1) the leader
> > election part is easier to implement by leveraging a consensus system
> (e.g.
> > Zookeeper); (2) the log format is simpler since the log itself is not
> used
> > for leader election; (3) the replication factor for the log is decoupled
> > from the number of parties required for leader election (e.g., in Kafka
> we
> > can choose a replication factor of 2 for the log while using an ensemble
> of
> > 5 for a Zookeeper cluster).
> >
> > Both Rafe and Zookeeper are solving a harder problem than Kafka
> replication
> > because they have no consensus service to rely upon for their own leader
> > election since they are implementing a consensus service.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jun
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Jay Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Very similar in design to kafka replication
> >>
> https://ramcloud.stanford.edu/wiki/download/attachments/11370504/raft.pdf
> >>
> >> -Jay
> >>
>