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Pig >> mail # dev >> Reducer estimation

Prashant Kommireddi 2012-12-04, 06:32
Bill Graham 2012-12-04, 07:01
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Re: Reducer estimation
Awesome! It would be good to have a flat-file based impl as there will
probably a lot of pig users not having an hbase instance setup for
stats persistence. Let me know if I can help in anyway.

Is there a timeframe you are looking at for open-sourcing this?
On Dec 4, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Bill Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> We do basically what you're describing. Each of our scripts has a logical
> name which defines the workflow. For each job in the workflow we persist
> the job stats, counters and conf in HBase via an implementation of
> PigProgressNotificationListener. We can then correlate jobs in a run of the
> workflow together based on the pig.script.start.time and pig.job.start time
> properties. We use the logical plan script signature to determine the
> script version has changed.
> During job execution we query the service in a impl of PigReducerEstimator
> for matching workflows.
> One simple estimation algo is to multiply Pig's default estimated reducers
> (which are based on mapper input bytes) by the ratio of mapper output bytes
> over mapper input bytes of previous runs. The same could also be done with
> slot time, but we haven't tried that yet.
> We plan to open source parts of this at some point.
> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Prashant Kommireddi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>> I have been thinking about using Pig statistics for # reducers estimation.
>> Though the current heuristic approach
>> works fine, it requires an admin or the programmer to understand what the
>> best number would be for the job.
>> We are seeing a large number of jobs over-utilizing resources, and there is
>> obviously no default number that works well
>> for all kinds of pig scripts. A few non-technical users find it difficult
>> to estimate the best # for their jobs.
>> It would be great if we can use stats from previous runs of a job to set
>> the number
>> of reducers for future runs.
>> This would be a nice feature for jobs running in production, where the job
>> or the dataset size does not fluctuate
>> a huge deal.
>>   1. Set a config param in the script
>>      - set script.unique.id prashant.1111222111.demo_script
>>   2. If the above is not set, we fallback on the current implementation
>>   3. If the above is set
>>      - At the end of the job, persist PigStats (namely Reduce Shuffle
>>      Bytes) to FS (hdfs, local, s3....). This would be
>> "${script.unique.id}_YYYYMMDDHHmmss"
>>      - lets call this stats_on_hdfs
>>      - Read "stats_on_hdfs" for previous runs, and based on the number of
>>      such stats to read (based on
>> script.reducer.estimation.num.stats) calculate
>>      an average number of reducers for the current run.
>>      - If no stats_on_hdfs exists, we fallback on current implementation
>> It will be advised to not keep the retention of stats too long, and Pig can
>> make sure to clear up old files that are not required.
>> What do you guys think?
>> -Prashant
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Dmitriy Ryaboy 2012-12-06, 14:38
Prashant Kommireddi 2012-12-06, 14:44